One question for Christians

[The Reality Salesman01]

I have opinions about scriptures, most of what I state is truth through scripture, if you can not disprove what I say then all you have is opinion.

Hmm...Wrong again. I can see this logic-thing is giving you trouble. You seem to think that you can say whatever you want, claim that it is true, and then claim victory if others cannot disprove it. I'm sorry to tell you that this theory is fraught with logical flaws.

You sure are good at declaring people wrong, to bad your incorrect in your opinion. I have no problem with logic, just with those who believe they are the only ones who have it.

To address the first part, you’re right. “Wrong” was not at all the proper word. Your statement is fallacious and logically invalid. I can’t say for certain it is wrong, only that the means by which you arrived at your statement are illogical. “A man that holds a true belief without knowledge, is like a blind man that happens to find the right road” -Plato

You can not disprove what I bring from scripture because you're afraid of the word of God, you understand the power it has, that's why you avoid it and act this way.

I didn't say I could disprove anything you believe. Look back at my initial post. I said that in the first sentence. I respect that you really think this stuff is true, I just find it odd that you put so much stock in an old book. It baffles me. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how any educated adult could say such things as you have above. It’s wildly entertaining to speak to yourself and others, but only in the sense that it would also be entertaining to stroll through an insane asylum and speak to the criminally accused.

I said it twice because you're hard of hearing. An omnipotent power can not get rid of itself, that would be contrary to it's omnipotent power. You having trouble with omnipotence are you.

Before you respond, read very carefully. Address my claims and don't just start spouting off words. I'm making specific claims about the sun and your ability to percieve it. This is your third and last chance to recognize an unfalsifiable claim. Here we go...

The Sun is of unlimited power. The state in which you perceive It, makes it difficult for you to fathom Its potential. You perceive The Sun as a mere ball of burning gasses and elements, and so to you, it seems to have a life expectancy. But, that only shows that The Sun YOU THINK you understand cannot be omnipotent. But a truly omnipotent Sun has no limits, and can even suspend its own existence to be both eternal in actuality, and temporary in human perception. The Sun cannot be understood by you, so you think what I say is impossible. But, if you would only A/S/K, The Sun It would show you its TRUE light.

Get it yet?

I can support someones works without trying to prove they exist.

No kidding. That’s what you’ve been doing all along. Whether or not you are trying, is still up for debate. You are so defensive of your belief, you haven’t even noticed that I said that 3 posts ago. I realize you aren’t establishing any credibility in your claims, and yet, you are still willing to support them. What I’m telling you is: I reject claims that are founded on unreliable processes such as the one you are describing right now. I do! If I needed to know the measurements of my bedroom door, I wouldn’t accept a measurement that wasn’t taken of the exact door that I needed to measure, or the measurement from the company, given I had the specific part number, or from the man that built my house, and installed my door personally, as he has done several times over. These are all examples of reliable (some more than others) processes that can reveal truth. If I simply guess, or pretend to know what size my door is, I am more likely to be wrong than right. I am interested in increasing the amount of TRUE beliefs I have, and decreasing the amount of FALSE beliefs.

You believe google has all the answers, good you are making this easy.

Google has some answers, such as critical thinking terms and definitions. These things would be very useful to you about now. I’m reading this stuff you wrote below, and I’m baffled at the impact you seem to think this has. It’s actually kind of sad how little you understand about logic. Like this for example…

You and other atheist that believe in evolution are the kings of believing in succession being causality.

When exactly did I say any of this? This is called a red-herring. And this one…

Tell me sir, do you know of another prophecy of that magnitude that came to fruition after 2500 years, can you? That would surly eliminate coincidence if you can't.

Argument from ignorance. Another fallacy.

There was an outside force that influenced the event, GOD. .

False Cause Fallacy (ignores alternative solutions), Affirming the antecedent

Even if it had been another outside force, which it wasn't, the prophecy was still fulfilled, omniscience of God took care of that. .

Denying the consequent. You don’t seem to care whether your brain is moving forwards or backwards.

Suppose you and I were on a train, and we were both about to eat a banana. We go through a tunnel just as I take a bite of mine, everything goes dark. In the darkness, I yell to you..."Don't eat your banana, you'll go blind!". Do you understand? C doesn't always follow in every instance, your claim is of zero relevance to me.

Your stupid suppose event has no meaning to me, it's just plain stupid.

I don’t doubt for a second that you thought that. Given the above logical errors, how in the world could you be expected to understand any other example of one?

Simple really, God through experiences has proven Himself to me, the experiences I have line up with the scriptures so I have my proof of God. There is no other way to find God's truth, anyone who tries to find truth outside of scripture are fooling themselves.

Circulus in probando ( Reasoning in a circle) Classic defense tool for Christianity. Another fallacy by the way. You're up to 7 or 8 in this response alone.

Well almost all the atheist on this site say evolution is factual,

I haven't brought up evolution once, and I'm not quite sure why you insist on having this side argument, but, I will agree with you that they have mistaken if what you say is true, and not misinterpreted. I would be willing to bet its the latter. Are you sure they don't say that Evolution is supported by facts? Evolution, as a theory, is not FACTUAL. It is supported by reproducible data that makes evolution plausible. It doesn’t make it true, just reasonably possible.

even though they've never proven it. I on the other hand have never claimed I can prove God and I certainly did not come here to do something I knew I couldn't, so why do people keep insisting that's why I'm here.

Great! Then why are you attempting to use the faculties of logic to defend it? Butchering the method for proof in your defense of God is a good way to make people think you are trying to prove God, but are failing miserably. Not saying you ARE trying, but if you were, you ‘d be doing a terrible job of it.

Calling you ignorant of the scriptures wasn't to show my credibility, it was to show you are not able to discuss scripture or reject it with credibility.

Again, not so. I can reject the validity of your scriptures on the basis of an unreliable process. I don’t need to read any of them. If you think it is better to read them, you need to show why. That is the burden of proof. I’m sorry, but it’s on your shoulders, not mine.

I believe you should read the scriptures to find God's truth through Christ, then they will be open to you so you can see who God really is.

This is an opinion. If you would like to strengthen it with an argument by giving reasons to believe what you say is true, I will be happy to entertain it. Otherwise, this is no different than me telling you: I believe Strawberry is the best flavor of ice cream, if you eat it the way I do, I’m sure you will agree. WHY???? How do you know what you say is true? Why should I believe you? That’s how this works!!!

Did you expect a different answer?

How could I? You haven’t given a single reason to expect much more.