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Pope John Paul II and the trouble with miracles
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RE: Pope John Paul II and the trouble with miracles
(July 9, 2013 at 9:18 am)Drich Wrote: I contend that a mirical is not defined on our ablity to comperhend what has happened, but that it is the will and action of God that made it happen. Either through a normal process or a 'magical' one.

Already the term "m i r a c l e" has been defined for you in a previous post as being ascribed to a supernatural cause so saying "through a normal process" is meaningless, it must then follow it must be a "magical" one. But explanations that claim magic or the supernatural are almost always made by the uneducated or by those trying to manipulate. Why is that? The short answers:

The uneducated - The laws of probability are so little understood by the masses that anything perceived to be remotely infrequent is immediately attributed to the hand of God. Many of the events that do happen we have no statistical information on but just because we have no empirical data doesn’t mean it is miraculous.

The manipulators - The Catholic church, for example, claims that John Paul II has performed two miracles in spite of evidence to the contrary. The church underpins its otherwordly claims so it can continue to bilk millions of the faithful.

Lack of education and greed are the roots of miraculous claims.
"Ocean: A body of water occupying about two-thirds of a world made for man - who has no gills.” ~ Ambrose Bierce

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RE: Pope John Paul II and the trouble with miracles - by Full Circle - July 9, 2013 at 11:41 pm

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