RE: What is "FAITH"
July 10, 2013 at 11:48 am
(This post was last modified: July 10, 2013 at 11:52 am by Bad Writer.)
(July 10, 2013 at 11:11 am)Consilius Wrote: Societal values change, morals do not. If they did, you could not condemn the Bible as immoral because the people in the Bible were moral simply because they believed they were.
"Societal values change": correct. "Morals do not": incorrect. Societal values determine their moral structure. This has always been the case. Because the Bible doesn't match up with our moral code now, we can call it immoral. What's more, this is a completely objective rationalization.
(July 10, 2013 at 11:11 am)Consilius Wrote: Witnesses to crimes can't be thrown out of courtrooms because they are the only sources of evidence for the crime. If they mostly agree with each other, they stay.
I'm glad to see you fancy yourself a judge and that you ONLY rely on Witness Testimony for evidence. Good thing they aren't deciding the fate of the universe in the courtroom, or we'd all be screwed.
(July 10, 2013 at 11:11 am)Consilius Wrote: Jesus didn't write things down because his purpose on earth was action. He didn't publicly claim himself God, but let his actions speak for him. He allowed his life to be interpreted by those around him. He also preached to poor, illiterate men and women.
Glad to see that you gleaned his purpose from reading an unreliable source. It's interesting to note that you say that he didn't publicly claim himself as a God. Whether he did or didn't is not the screwy part here: it's that he was elevated to this status by the words of men. The same thing happened to Kim Il-Sung in North Korea. Should we believe he's a god just because the people there thought he was? Were the Pharoahs gods?
When your view is limited by the scope of the bible, it's easy to forget about all the other instances in the world where the exact things happen. Unfortunately, Jesus isn't here to prove that he's a god, and the people who wrote about him being one are also dead. If Jesus is a god who is still living today, there would be more proof of that. I mean, we at least have video footage of Kim Il-Sung, so we know he was at least alive at some point.
You also need to work on your definition of propaganda. The word has gotten a bad rap. Propaganda is propagating an idea to promote it among individuals or groups of people. Whether the propaganda is bad or good is all in the eye of the beholder. Saying the Gospels aren't propaganda is an argument from ignorance, because, by the definition, they are just that; you simply see it as good propaganda.
(July 10, 2013 at 11:42 am)Consilius Wrote: Because God is love. Love exists for something TO love. God gave his existence purpose by making other beings exist.
How is God love when love is simply a concept? God, then, is also just a concept.
When you say something like "God is love" you are creating more questions about god than you are actually answering.