What is "FAITH"

[Bad Writer]

If the Bible was immoral, you would be wrong in calling it so since you believe there is no objective standard for morality.

I may be wrong in their world view, but in mine I'm right. But it's not about right or wrong, is it? Rather, it's about justification for my views. Calling the Bible immoral is completely justified on my part if my morality dictates it to be. Anyone associating with the immoral aspects of the Bible is also immoral to me.

You'd be discriminating against the ancient Jews because they believed what they did is moral, and since BELIEVING something is moral is all it takes for a moral to exist, they apparently placed themselves within their own moral standards.

Okay...so I can't call it a bad book now because they didn't think it was then? That simply doesn't follow, and the argument holds absolutely no water. Hitler thought killing the Jews was a good idea, and, at the time, so did many of his followers. They regretted it dearly afterwards.

Luckily, this is not true. This argument shouldn't be used to defend the Bible. The Torah says not to kill and steal, just like the laws do today.

Yeah, and it contradicts itself earlier and later. The Bible is unreliable, just like those courtroom witness testimonies that Judge Consilius loves so much.

You're only partially right that the argument shouldn't be used to defend the Bible. Let's take that a step further and say what we're all thinking: nothing should be used to defend the Bible.

Jesus proved he was God and the Messiah through his life. His actions were more powerful than his words. He showed the world that he was God and had them tell others about it. Christ made himself God to others. Others did not make Christ God.

He showed a few people in Palestine, or so they say. That is not showing the world anything. He didn't prove anything if he never existed in the first place, and the only evidence of his life is through religious texts, not history books.

Here's a little nugget for ya. How come when the Book of Acts opens up no one seems to remember this Christ fellow, or his crucifiction, or anything that he did? In fact, it's the Apostles going out and preaching to people that have never heard of him before. All this proves is that they talked about him, not that he existed.

Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, says he translated an ancient text written on Gold Plates into what is known as the Book of Mormon. It contains the history and writings of Jews from 600 B.C. that settled the Americas and became the ancestors of the Native Americans.

It's documented in a book...but is it true? The Bible falls under the exact same scrutiny. Proof that the Bible exists and says stuff is not proof that it's true.

Love can exist as a concept, but it is also a force because it has physical effects on the world.

Are you saying that because love can also be demonstrated as a force, that it necessarily is attributed to god? Love as a force can be independant of god, just as cheese can be independant of a sandwich.