(July 11, 2013 at 2:38 pm)ronedee Wrote: Jesus did say that: "He & the Father were the same".
So, maybe God Himself paid the price for sin?
But alas, that for the "unbeliever" means nothing either.
It shouldn't mean anything to you guys either: you're essentially admitting that god sacrificed himself, to himself, to allay the consequences of a set of concepts that are only bad because they are offensive to him that a middle of the road sense of empathy and common sense would allow him to simply forgive without the circuitous spectacle.
What you're describing isn't a sublime sacrifice. It's the contortions of a mind with OCD trying to accomplish a thing in the most indirect, histrionic way possible.
But alas, the believers don't even see this Gordian Knot, let alone the way to cut it.
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee
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