(July 11, 2013 at 10:27 pm)Consilius Wrote: What I am suggesting is that there has always been an immaterial entity that has always had the power to create the physical from itself.
There's a lot of presupposing going on, and doing any of that is always a logical fallacy.
1. An entity existing from eternity to eternity.
2. That it is a creator.
3. How it creates.
4. That it is immaterial.
5. The immaterial deals with material objects.
6. That it has power, and always will.
If I presupposed the existence of Big Foot, I could potentially spend my entire life searching for him, making sense out of obscure clues, and fooling myself into believing that he HAS to be somewhere out there.
The reality is a bit more grim, but it doesn't take a lifetime to come to grips with it. Chances are, since there's no real proof to corroborate the existence of Big Foot, he's probably not real, and using reason to come to this conclusion takes mere moments instead of wasting time, energy, and resources trying to track down this Holy Grail of nature.
God is the same way in that people MUST presuppose that he exists. They search for him in a different manner, but the search can still last a lifetime.
If you cannot demonstrate proof of a god's existence, then fact stands that your claim remains as vapid as someone's claim in the existence of Big Foot.