What is "FAITH"

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okay, once again, 14 billion. Have you not? have you not asserted that there has to be a cause? have you not asserted a personality for this cause? have you not asserted that things can exist before the universe existed? have you not disregarded the fact that cause and effect cannot work without time and insist that they work and gave birth to the universe?

If not on your authority, then on whose?

My argument is based off of human reason. That's the authority it is subject to, as well as to some observable facts.

This is a joke right? you're telling me we can observe your god now?

Your reasoning is broken. you can ignore all the corrections and mistakes we've pointed out, but in case it isn't clear yet, you're the only one who buys your delusion.

Superiority? you are the one who said that what use are telescopes and particle accelerators and that humans do not need trial and error and you can arrive at truth without testing out anything. And you want to accuse others of acting superior? I suggest you start to address the fact that you're not gifted with special knowledge, and if you cannot prove your ideas, don't demand that they be put on equal grounds with theories that have substantially more supporting evidence than your "theory".

and oh my god, thank you for bringing up sin in a discussion about what is correct and not correct about the universe.

It is arrogant to assume I have the capacity to reason (the aforementioned 'special knowledge' you accused me of claiming to have)? We can sit down and answer questions we don't have to test out and arrive at accurate conclusions.
The universe must be at least as old as the oldest thing in it. I'm sure, to arrive at this conclusion, we dated everything in the world and then dated the universe itself. Yet most people can agree with me without knowing either the age of the universe or that of Neptune. Are we special for this? Yes. As a species. A chimpanzee can set up a table and grab a banana dangling from a ceiling, having been certain of the results of this endeavor beforehand. So can we. That's what logic is for. You would be bringing yourself down to assume that you need to test whether or not rat poison can be held in a porcelain teacup.

oh you're sure? that must be enough to mean you're absolutely correct then. But you're not.

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_age.html

we did not arrive at 14 billion years by dating the oldest things in it. we used those useless things called telescopes.