(July 13, 2013 at 11:17 pm)Consilius Wrote: I am referring to more like the universe we experience; all that is part of the natural order.
An eternal universe? Why did this universe change from one form to another at a definite point in time? Why will it do so again? And probably again?
You're rather missing the point. You are going to have to be more specific than that. If God is separate from the natural order, how could you even sensibly infer his existence from within the natural order? You're by necessity moving from your experience to that which has no known commonalities with your experience, so to even speak of it is rather odd.
If you're defining universe as the totality of existence, then it wouldn't make sense to refer to it as anything other than eternal - in some sense - unless you think something can come into existence from nothing at all.
