What is "FAITH"

[Bad Writer]

The universe cannot be younger than the oldest thing in it.

So what?

[quote='genkaus' pid='477677' dateline='1373803471']
We don't need to go back any further. The singularity was the uncaused cause. Disprove that.

So we DO have an uncaused cause, the existence of which I've been advocating for all this time.

Hehe. I think he was actually mocking you. It's kind of like if I were to say, "I'm Batman. Prove me wrong."

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Because - and read slowly, so that you understand - causation is a spatio-temporal phenomenon. Since time and space are aspects of universe and do not exist "outside" it, the causation is an aspect of universe as well and therefore does not apply prior to it.

Our universe WAS caused? That's not what I've been hearing.

Certainly there was a cause. There's a cause to everything that occurs (at least in this universe there is). But does the cause have to be a prime mover? Do we exist because of some grand scheme? I think what's getting confused on this thread is cause out of planning and cause out of nature.