RE: What is "FAITH"
July 14, 2013 at 3:43 pm
(This post was last modified: July 14, 2013 at 3:48 pm by Consilius.)
(July 14, 2013 at 9:27 am)Faith No More Wrote: I'm still waiting for that explanation as to how cause and effect works when time does not exist.Time began when the universe did. It was developed by something that did not rely on time; something that was timeless. If it did not rely on time, then it did not rely on cause.
You can't keep asserting that there must be an uncaused cause without addressing that issue first.
If it did not rely on time, then it did not need time to cause the universe. The causation of the universe brought about time and, with it, cause. Everything in our universe, therefore, needs time and cause. The cause of our universe exists on a different plane and by nature does not have either time or cause, as it did before both of these two existed.
(July 14, 2013 at 3:37 pm)genkaus Wrote:"the causation is an aspect of universe as well and therefore does not apply prior to it."(July 14, 2013 at 3:16 pm)Consilius Wrote: Our universe WAS caused? That's not what I've been hearing.
That's not what I said either.
You said that since causation is an aspect of the universe, there can be no causation "before" it.
Is an uncaused thing needed to make cause exist?