RE: Nazi photos Hitlers support for the Church
July 16, 2013 at 9:33 am
(This post was last modified: July 16, 2013 at 9:52 am by kılıç_mehmet.)
I think that Hitler was also quite nostalgic to the old religion of the Germanic people, just as we Turkish nationalists use "Tanrı Türk'ü korusun(God save the Turk)" with the old name for God, "Tanrı/Tengri" instead of the arabic "Allah".
However I don't think any nationalist on his right mind would dare to disrespect the religious traditions of his/her people, even though they themselves might not believe in them.
So Hitler did include a certain christian undertone into his ideology and politics, however I believe he was non-secterian, and did not favor catholics over protestants, or otherwise. To add, I don't see anything wrong with these pictures or something out of place, except that they're just adorned with pictures of Swastikas, Hitler and etc. You could simply put the picture of any European politician that has met with any religious figure in their countries, or had visited a church, or had a christmas dinner with the cabinet.
Hitler didn't really do anything out of the ordinary for any ordinary politician.
In fact, as I stated before, nationalism also means that you have to respect the beliefs and customs of the public, as they are inseperable from the public, at least to a degree. Yet using religion too much would be very harmful to a nationalism, as religion based politics is an international concept. So it is generally a rule of thumb for a nationalist leader to show respect and at least adherence to a degree to certain religious sentiments and practices of the general public, yet refraining from using religion as the basis of a political platform.
Well, it cannot be used to manipulate a people over a certain degree.
For example, if he were to use religion as his primary tool to come to power, people would be quite reluctant to actually spill christian blood in wars, or in that case, would revert from the German national identity to a simple Christian identity that knows no boundaries in terms of race, nation or language.
This is why we nationalists do not use religion as a means to gain public favour. If you do that, you are actually doing the quite opposite of a nationalist.
In my country, the greatest opposition to nationalism comes from two ideologies. One are the "red-communists" whom we know as marxist/leninists and the others are the "green-communists" who are known as Islamists, as they both reject race, language, existence of national creeds, flags, anthems, borders and spirit.
The only difference is that the reds use class based discrimination to fuel their internationalism, while the greens use religion based discrimination to fuel their internationalism("Ummah sympathisants" as I like to call them).
I hope I was able to shed light on the matter.
However I don't think any nationalist on his right mind would dare to disrespect the religious traditions of his/her people, even though they themselves might not believe in them.
So Hitler did include a certain christian undertone into his ideology and politics, however I believe he was non-secterian, and did not favor catholics over protestants, or otherwise. To add, I don't see anything wrong with these pictures or something out of place, except that they're just adorned with pictures of Swastikas, Hitler and etc. You could simply put the picture of any European politician that has met with any religious figure in their countries, or had visited a church, or had a christmas dinner with the cabinet.
Hitler didn't really do anything out of the ordinary for any ordinary politician.
In fact, as I stated before, nationalism also means that you have to respect the beliefs and customs of the public, as they are inseperable from the public, at least to a degree. Yet using religion too much would be very harmful to a nationalism, as religion based politics is an international concept. So it is generally a rule of thumb for a nationalist leader to show respect and at least adherence to a degree to certain religious sentiments and practices of the general public, yet refraining from using religion as the basis of a political platform.
Quote:I've read up on Hitler about his relationship with religion and I personally think that he understood the power it contained that could be used to manipulate people.
But I also think he resented that power too.
Well, it cannot be used to manipulate a people over a certain degree.
For example, if he were to use religion as his primary tool to come to power, people would be quite reluctant to actually spill christian blood in wars, or in that case, would revert from the German national identity to a simple Christian identity that knows no boundaries in terms of race, nation or language.
This is why we nationalists do not use religion as a means to gain public favour. If you do that, you are actually doing the quite opposite of a nationalist.
In my country, the greatest opposition to nationalism comes from two ideologies. One are the "red-communists" whom we know as marxist/leninists and the others are the "green-communists" who are known as Islamists, as they both reject race, language, existence of national creeds, flags, anthems, borders and spirit.
The only difference is that the reds use class based discrimination to fuel their internationalism, while the greens use religion based discrimination to fuel their internationalism("Ummah sympathisants" as I like to call them).
I hope I was able to shed light on the matter.
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