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One question, 2 parts:
1) it the devil “tempting” people to rape and murder each other?
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The devil tempted eve, and subsequently Adam. The devil tempted/tested Job, the devil tempted/tested Christ. Outside of that I do not know of anyone else the devil personally tempted.
[quote] 2) Would this otherwise take place if it weren’t for Satan[/quote]
The bible does not say he temps us directly. It is by his actions that temptation is known to us.
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So just to be clear, at some point, Satan had to pitch the idea of Rape and Murder to God, before God decided it was okay for Satan to run around tempting people to do it?
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Let's look at the first murder in the death of able by Cain. The devil had nothing to do with his death. Able was killed because his brother was jealous of him. The devil is not responsible for our indivisual sins. The devil simply introduced sin we justify the sins we favor on our own. As he is the father of sin, we too inherit the same death he is slated for.
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But, Satan displayed that he could choose differently before falling, so he didn’t know better until after he “fell”? Then where’s the harm? I’m confused. Plus, if Satan was able to act against God’s will before falling, then what you are saying doesn’t seem to follow.
[/quote] not sure what your asking nor what your pointing out.
Satan/lucifer knew the difference or had the knowledge of good and evil before the fall. The only ones who did not was Adam and Eve. Seperate rules for angels and men.
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Ok. I just thought that maybe a God would have more options than a cage. Maybe like that black-hole thing from Man of Steel!
[/quote] the phantom zone?!?! The phantom zone is modeled after hell.
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Oh that fall. I was asking about how long it took for God to create earth. [/quote] 6 days on the 7th He rested.
[quote] Did he do it simultaneously while casting out Satan, so he’d have a prison for him, or was it like an after-thought? [/quote] satan fell some where between the completion of creation and the fall of man. There could be a trillion years between the seventh day and the fall of man. We do not know when that happened.
Satan was sent here to give us choice/the ability to choose God or ourselves. Fore without satan free will biblically described free will would not exist. Because without satan there is only God's expressed will.
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Like, Adam wandering around Earth, fine and dandy, and then God sends Satan there? Then Satan starts fucking up everything?
[/quote]what satan did was apart of the plan, so we could choose to either be with God or separated from Him for eternity.
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One question, 2 parts:
1) it the devil “tempting” people to rape and murder each other?
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The devil tempted eve, and subsequently Adam. The devil tempted/tested Job, the devil tempted/tested Christ. Outside of that I do not know of anyone else the devil personally tempted.
[quote] 2) Would this otherwise take place if it weren’t for Satan[/quote]
The bible does not say he temps us directly. It is by his actions that temptation is known to us.
[quote]
So just to be clear, at some point, Satan had to pitch the idea of Rape and Murder to God, before God decided it was okay for Satan to run around tempting people to do it?
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Let's look at the first murder in the death of able by Cain. The devil had nothing to do with his death. Able was killed because his brother was jealous of him. The devil is not responsible for our indivisual sins. The devil simply introduced sin we justify the sins we favor on our own. As he is the father of sin, we too inherit the same death he is slated for.
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But, Satan displayed that he could choose differently before falling, so he didn’t know better until after he “fell”? Then where’s the harm? I’m confused. Plus, if Satan was able to act against God’s will before falling, then what you are saying doesn’t seem to follow.
[/quote] not sure what your asking nor what your pointing out.
Satan/lucifer knew the difference or had the knowledge of good and evil before the fall. The only ones who did not was Adam and Eve. Seperate rules for angels and men.
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Ok. I just thought that maybe a God would have more options than a cage. Maybe like that black-hole thing from Man of Steel!
[/quote] the phantom zone?!?! The phantom zone is modeled after hell.
[quote]
Oh that fall. I was asking about how long it took for God to create earth. [/quote] 6 days on the 7th He rested.
[quote] Did he do it simultaneously while casting out Satan, so he’d have a prison for him, or was it like an after-thought? [/quote] satan fell some where between the completion of creation and the fall of man. There could be a trillion years between the seventh day and the fall of man. We do not know when that happened.
Satan was sent here to give us choice/the ability to choose God or ourselves. Fore without satan free will biblically described free will would not exist. Because without satan there is only God's expressed will.
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Like, Adam wandering around Earth, fine and dandy, and then God sends Satan there? Then Satan starts fucking up everything?
[/quote]what satan did was apart of the plan, so we could choose to either be with God or separated from Him for eternity.
