(July 23, 2013 at 5:28 am)Consilius Wrote: This would be true if the universe had been composed or developed. I am not saying it was.
On the contrary, if the universe was composed or developed - two words which indicate time-dependence - then time would have to be independent of the universe and therefore universe would have a cause. But since time is not universe independent it was not composed or developed.
(July 23, 2013 at 5:28 am)Consilius Wrote: Not all causation is temporal.
You are correct. The appropriate term would be spatio-temporal. Not that it changes the point.
(July 23, 2013 at 5:28 am)Consilius Wrote: A hand being run through water causes water to be displaced. The hand does not displace water before it is displaced; both cause and effect are simultaneous.
Bad example. The water is displaced after the hand being placed. However minute the time difference may be, it is still there.
(July 23, 2013 at 5:28 am)Consilius Wrote: The causation of the universe is not a single event, rather, it was the prime mover in a series of causes and effects. They are not designed beforehand, but come into being as they happen.
Empty claim. No evidence of a prime mover.