A new understanding to an old premise

[Esquilax]

Maybe the 'deficiency' is ours and not God's. In that we need a space/deception that allows us to make an uninfluenced honest decision about our heart true desire, as to the nature of where we want to spend eternity.

Except that we were created by god, making any design flaws or deficiencies we do have his responsibility in the end. If he's the creator of all things, he's also responsible for the choices he makes in doing so.

I love that your answer here is that, essentially, god just wants to deceive us because making informed decisions would allow us to use logic and pick the choice that's best for us, though. That's awesome.

"They're making decisions that aren't based on irrational emotions and the intrinsic pride I gave them so they could make the wrong decisions and I could punish them?! Hell no! Matrix!"

Think about it. if you got to stare down the pit of hell and then look to boundless treasures (God's Glory) God had to offer. anyone with any desire for self perservation and the ablity to lie to them self would choose God over hell. Then the question becomes how long will they be content with God before their true feelings would surface? a year? a Billion years? A trillion years? Even after 900 trillion years we would not have put a dent in eternity. We do know by Satan's example that at some point we will surcumb to pride as he did and will want that seperation and will be willing to risk Hell for it.

This does raise a good question, though the reasoning behind it is a tad specious: can a person be removed from heaven and sent to hell? Or rather, when in heaven, would a person still have the kinds of desires and thoughts that would land him or her in hell at all? The bible kind of hints that it's a place where negativity just can't survive, right?

So why not place all of us in the realm/matrix hidden from the automatic knoweledge of God's Glory or the absolute terrors of Hell, and allow our hearts the 80 or so years it needs to simply play out what it really wants. (Give those who want to know the knoweledge to make the desision they have been given and allow the rest to surround themselves with whatever they wish.)

Seriously, what does your god have against people having complete information before they make choices?!

So when you stand before God on the day of your final judgement and He judges you sheep or Goat, Wheat or Weed, yu will know beyond doubt that his judgement is absolute and just.

No, because tyrants do a lot of judging too. If I reject the criteria by which I am being judged- and I do, based on your ad hoc rationalizations here- then I'm still entirely capable of seeing this judgment for the farce that it is.

Again God could created us and seperated us then and there, but He gave us this life to prove to ourselves who we are so when we find ourselves in Heaven or Hell we wont be able to lie to ourselves and say we are more than what we are.

Which is essentially you saying not to aspire to anything. Would not people with knowledge of heaven from the outset, knowing that it's there and that there's a benevolent creator god with a higher moral standing to aspire to, work to better themselves to make themselves worthy of this?

I mean, you already think that: in your view, christians have the knowledge of god, and do good deeds to put themselves at heaven's gates, so to you, that's what knowledge of heaven does. Why are we being kept from it, in that case?

And before you say a single damn word about free will, let me remind you that you just said earlier that people can have knowledge of heaven, lie to themselves in order to go there, and still end up breaking for their pride in the end.

In my orginal post I did make reference to BCV that points to several verses that seperate Mind Body Spirit and soul. Are you asking me to provide book Chapter and verse or are you looking for something else?

Evidence for that transdimensional matrix waffle, I think.