RE: "IF" there was a God....
August 15, 2013 at 5:21 am
(This post was last modified: August 15, 2013 at 5:21 am by pocaracas.)
First, Id' like to thank Drich for answering all the question I had for a god.
I'd also like to thank whateverist for covering for me in the night-shift. Good reply there, mate!
I wasn't.
The title of the thread is "IF there was a god", not "IF the god of the bible exists", or something like that.
The fact that this thread is in the christian section of the forum was something I didn't take into consideration for a few reasons:
- Knowing that ron is a catholic, it is fair to assume he spends most of his time here in the christian section, so I'd expect any thread by him to be in this section, regardless of the content.
- I browser the forum from the "today's posts" link, getting all posts in chronological order. True, it does say in which section the post is, but I rarely notice that.
- If I remember correctly, Ron himself said in one of the first few posts of this thread that he wasn't after the "if the christian god exists" perspective, but rather the any god view.
Given all this, your answers from the bible, only answer to the hypothesis of the christian god...
Nonetheless, thank you for your effort in answering. I'll try to do something cool with them
Alpha and omega and the first and last letters in the greek alphabeth... both vowels and the hebrew letters didn't have vowels.
Anyway, that's just a curiosity... the meaning is that god is the start and end of all things, as is explained in the sentence that comes after the "alpha and omega" bit.
Now, I wouldn't be satisfied with that answer.
Considering that I'm having a private Q&A with a god, I'd try to flesh out a bit more. "what are you?" What are you made of? What sort of matter? How does that matter work?
If you can't explain it in terms I'd understand, then make me understand and show it to me.
If that requires a whole different set of dimensions and coordinate systems, then... do it! Show me satisfactorily "what are you".
And this... I guess... is not in any bible.
Our understanding of time is strange, but I can safely say that there can be no "before time".
Just to establish a parallel which I hope you'll understand, it's like you're saying there's something below the center of the Earth.
Living just to choose where to spend eternity based on other people's testimonies of some vague, possibly misunderstood, mental processes... doesn't seem right. On top of that, your choice is heavily dictated by your geographical birth place... Not the right way to build such an important process, I'd say... this god needs a refresh.
My ship will be called "ide todos pocaraças"!
Heaven and hell would be some other realms all together... which may aggregate souls from these other universes as well!
Is the speed of light is the maximum speed at which any form of information can travel?
Perhaps similar to "a measure of the increasing entropy of the Universe"...
What's the driving force?
You say it may be "love". "Before time" (there's that thing again) what love did god have, but it's own? And yet, it made all we see, according to your previous answer on that.
Of course, astrophysicists tell us that the net energy of the Universe is zero, so... yeas... this god could have expended zero energy to create the universe.
What I call "real magic" is akin to an unknowable source of energy that accomplishes whatever I desire.
If I remember correctly, the christian (actually jew) god was jealous: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me"... that doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't others.
I'd also like to thank whateverist for covering for me in the night-shift. Good reply there, mate!
(August 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drich Wrote:You answered these questions under the assumption that I was addressing the christian god.(August 14, 2013 at 4:13 pm)pocaracas Wrote: First off... I'm not the bit least angry at any god.All of this stuff is in the bible here is what God says:
It is my understanding that all gods that humans worship or have worshiped in the past are, most likely, made up by some humans.
So, if any god does exist and does present itself for me to ask it whatever I want...
I wasn't.
The title of the thread is "IF there was a god", not "IF the god of the bible exists", or something like that.
The fact that this thread is in the christian section of the forum was something I didn't take into consideration for a few reasons:
- Knowing that ron is a catholic, it is fair to assume he spends most of his time here in the christian section, so I'd expect any thread by him to be in this section, regardless of the content.
- I browser the forum from the "today's posts" link, getting all posts in chronological order. True, it does say in which section the post is, but I rarely notice that.
- If I remember correctly, Ron himself said in one of the first few posts of this thread that he wasn't after the "if the christian god exists" perspective, but rather the any god view.
Given all this, your answers from the bible, only answer to the hypothesis of the christian god...
Nonetheless, thank you for your effort in answering. I'll try to do something cool with them
(August 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drich Wrote:Curious... If that is what god told Moses, he must have said it in hebrew, not greek.Quote:- What are you?He told Moses "I am the alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end of all things."
This phrase demonstrates two primary things. God is the ultimate authority as He does not answer to anything higher than He, and "I am that I am" Means He is whom ever He wants to be. (No stupid paradoxes with that.)
Alpha and omega and the first and last letters in the greek alphabeth... both vowels and the hebrew letters didn't have vowels.
Anyway, that's just a curiosity... the meaning is that god is the start and end of all things, as is explained in the sentence that comes after the "alpha and omega" bit.
Now, I wouldn't be satisfied with that answer.
Considering that I'm having a private Q&A with a god, I'd try to flesh out a bit more. "what are you?" What are you made of? What sort of matter? How does that matter work?
If you can't explain it in terms I'd understand, then make me understand and show it to me.
If that requires a whole different set of dimensions and coordinate systems, then... do it! Show me satisfactorily "what are you".
And this... I guess... is not in any bible.
(August 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drich Wrote:"before time began"? What is the meaning of that?Quote:- How did you come to be?"coming to be" binds one to linear time. God existed before time began @ the point of creation. You see creation is the start point for all thing with in creation itself. God is outside of creation and thus does not need a start point.
Our understanding of time is strange, but I can safely say that there can be no "before time".
Just to establish a parallel which I hope you'll understand, it's like you're saying there's something below the center of the Earth.
(August 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drich Wrote:I was hoping for "42"...Quote:- What is the meaning of life,Choice. To choose where you wish to spend eternity. Either in service of God, or eternally separated From God.
Quote: the universe, and everything?We are told by Christ that He goes to prepare a place for us, and that when we get to heaven we get job/task/responsiablities.
Keeping this in mind along with the fact that our time under God is infinite, and the universe is infinite, it will be the place where we work and live.
If we get to explore it in starships I call dibs on "enterprise."
Living just to choose where to spend eternity based on other people's testimonies of some vague, possibly misunderstood, mental processes... doesn't seem right. On top of that, your choice is heavily dictated by your geographical birth place... Not the right way to build such an important process, I'd say... this god needs a refresh.
My ship will be called "ide todos pocaraças"!
(August 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drich Wrote:Simple yes or no question gets a yes or no answer!Quote:- Did you create this Universe?In the creation account we are told yes.
(August 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drich Wrote:By Universes I mean other universes similar to our own, but different. Other planets with life, other galaxies, other "finely tuned constants"Quote:- If yes, did you create any other universes?if by universe you mean dimension I say yes. Because Christ said His 'Kingdom' is not of this world, and revelations points to a 'new Heaven and a New earth' once we are done with the stuff that is to go on here.
Heaven and hell would be some other realms all together... which may aggregate souls from these other universes as well!
(August 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drich Wrote:Yes... I see where you're coming from (previous question), but that's not what I meant.Quote:- If yes, what are the differences between them?Heaven, Earth, Hell I'm sure your aware of them
(August 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drich Wrote:ok, perhaps the "anything" wasn't exactly what I wanted to say.Quote:- Is the vacuum speed of light a real maximum speed for anything in this Universe?lol, no. google 'black holes' and how they effect light/time.
Is the speed of light is the maximum speed at which any form of information can travel?
(August 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drich Wrote:Follow up, how do you create big bangs?Quote:- How do you make universes?with a big bang!
(August 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drich Wrote:If the guy created time itself, I'm guessing it's definition would be much better than any dictionary.Quote:- What is time?Merrium Webster defines it as the measure of one moment to the next.
Perhaps similar to "a measure of the increasing entropy of the Universe"...
(August 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drich Wrote:I don't know it... that's why I'm asking. If god doesn't require energy, then how can it do anything?Quote:- What is your source of energy?How do you know God works on energy?
If He did I would say love. As that is the primary focus we have been directed to share and preserve. Love God, and Love each other.
What's the driving force?
You say it may be "love". "Before time" (there's that thing again) what love did god have, but it's own? And yet, it made all we see, according to your previous answer on that.
Of course, astrophysicists tell us that the net energy of the Universe is zero, so... yeas... this god could have expended zero energy to create the universe.
(August 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drich Wrote:No, it's not magic. It's biology.Quote:- Can you impart on me the ability to perform real magic?If you had the ablity to do 'real magic' it cease being 'real magic.'
Think how babies are born. Is that magic? do you think you could do it without any of the elements we currently use, and consider common place?
What I call "real magic" is akin to an unknowable source of energy that accomplishes whatever I desire.
(August 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drich Wrote:Could be more...Quote:- Are there any more like you?There is only one God.
If I remember correctly, the christian (actually jew) god was jealous: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me"... that doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't others.
(August 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drich Wrote:Has any heard that? I have my doubts...Quote:Finally, the greatest one:Most of them do what they can, but few have heard how He describes Himself.
- What do you think of the religions that humans have made up; and of all the ways they have managed to attempt to describe you?
(August 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Drich Wrote:yeah!!! Took you long enough! Keep it up!Quote:PS: can't wait to see if Drich can answer any of these on it's behalf....The wait is over, now I can't wait to see what you do with these answers.