RE: The original Christianity is not what is in the Bible
September 5, 2013 at 2:36 pm
(This post was last modified: September 5, 2013 at 2:49 pm by Drich.)
(September 5, 2013 at 12:26 pm)max-greece Wrote: "Paul did not write an gospel because he taught the gospel with the authority that only an apstole of Christ has. What Paul taught was what seeded his church and what ultimatly his deciples taught. In short, Luke's written account was Paul's gospel. Where else would a gentile doctor get the information he penned down in his Gospel account 20 years after the fact?"Do you not understand what the term "Apstole" Means?
And yet Paul wasn't ever an Apostle - in fact he never even met Jesus. Everything Paul had of Jesus' life therefore came second hand anyway and that would explain why Luke contains so many additional stories above and beyond Matthew and Mark. Paul got bits from many sources and after so many years......the fish got bigger.
Paul defines His title in Romans 1:
1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;
And then uses it in every opening salutation to each one of the Churches he writes to.
Paul did meet Christ, or rather Saul did. Acts Chapter 9 is a whole chapter dedicated to describing the conversion of Saul to Paul after he meets Christ.
(September 5, 2013 at 2:01 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote: Look, Drich and all you other Christians,
Pretend you're a car-salesman, and business is slow. One day some people come in wanting to buy a sports car. Excited, you take them out to your premium model, and show it to them. You know everything about this car, but for some reason, all you talk about it the body of the car, what color it is and how nice the tires are. The people want to know everything about the car, about the seats, about the engine, about what speed it gets, but all you push is the body, color and tires. The buyers leave in disappointment.
Where is the logic in that? Why would you not talk about the best part of the car? The engine! It has 600 horsepower and and do 0-60 in 4 seconds! With info like that, you could have nailed the sale! But you just talked about the outside of the car, not the inside.
And that's how I see the teachings of Paul. If he knew all about the meatiest parts of his new religion, why waste his time just talking about the fundamentals? Why not spread the stories of the birth and the miracles? Those were amazing, divinity-proving things to talk about it, but he just tried to sell Christianity by only scratching the surface?
Theology, methodology or whatever you want to talk about is irrelevant. Paul was trying to get converts by just spreading a few ideas. When the Gospel-writers saw that this wasn't enough, they spiced it up, with miracles and false prophecies. They sold the car. Paul merely raised the buyers' interest, but he just wasn't making the sale.
And that's how I see it.
Do you even know what Paul wrote about? The reasons for His letters? People were either being held down by Christianity with the old Jewish way of service and worship with laws and restrictions out the wazoo, Some of them made new members first convert to judaism and then to Christianity. They had them go through all of the Jewish rights and cermonies first... or they got too carried away by their freedoms, Drinking too much wine at communion (that why we have the little cups now

(That is why you want to hear more about Christ, You need Milk.) While someone who has heard and taught about Christ for the last 20 or 30 years needs the Meat of the word. Meaning information on how to live our lives under Christ.