How stupid do you have to be?...

[Esquilax]

I wasn't a fine. It was an impossiable amount of money. It was imprisionment to hard labor, it was the end of a given man's life.

Mhmm, sure. Leaving the rich to rape away. Though I'll admit that's shifting the goalposts a bit; the entire arrangement is still immoral, and phrased in an awful way.

Again why would one spend so much money and risk slavery when one could have simply have made a deal with the girl's father? for quite abit less? Because a man did not want to be bound by a wife. If a man does not want a wife, but still wants sex, it's proably because He could not afford to keep one as the law demands. which means he would not be able to pay this kings randsom, which leads to slavery.

So again it a massive deturrant, not a simple fine or fee for rape.

And again, you're phrasing this as though the primary objection is the fact that this is dealing with money. It's not, though I'd also object to your characterizing this as a huge amount of money- since the currency values changed over time, and there were four different types of shekel you'd have no way of knowing that. Also, a casual search shows a currency denomination equal to one hundred shekels, which to me would put your claim into doubt.

The issue is that, instead of simply punishing the guy, you instead have this system where his crime is instead treated like a faux pas, like he's walked into a store and broken something. He's paying for damaging someone else's property, not for a crime. And if he can pay it? He gets to keep the girl!

It says alot about your willingness to understand a culture that is not your own, when you are not willing to look at how a given people may differ from your own.

There's no need for understanding here, this isn't some fucking cultural disagreement where you can be like "oh, they have their ways, we have ours!" Fuck that; rape and slavery and selling other people is wrong. Are you saying that if a French person raped your daughter and offered to buy her, you'd be okay with it because he's from another culture?

What if one of these blokes time traveled to your door and raped your daughter? Would you let him pay you fifty shekels and be on his way with her? After all, we've got to be understanding! He doesn't fucking know any better!

...And who in your mind takes care of said woman when he new husband has been sold into slavery to pay his debt??

Okay, there is so much wrong with this sentence. Jesus fucking christ...

First of all, I'm interested to note that her rapist is her new husband before he's sold into slavery, meaning that the entire premise of your argument still fails to address the issue at hand, namely that you shouldn't fucking sell women to their rapists. Secondly, just from a logical standpoint, your question makes absolutely no sense, because if the rapist can't pay his debt yet then the father gets no money at all.

Thirdly, the very basis of your question is awful and misogynist. Fourth... you know what? Fuck it: people less clueless than you can see what's wrong here. I don't need to spotlight every fucking thing.

If I were a slave owner why would i want the added expense of another mouth or two to feed when I only get one slave to work with?

Actually, come to think of it... hold on...

Shit, you really fucked up, dude. Take a look:

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.

A real quick run through of the bible gave me this little gem, the implication being that the wife of a debt slave is enslaved just the same, since's she's "freed" too. So if you want to persist with this bullshit, it actually becomes more inexcusably immoral, not less.

so is the arrest, processicution, and jailing of a convict now. It just depends on how you want to look at things.

Don't be disingenuous. The legal system today in no way involves the the criminal coming out the end shackled to the victim. Stop equivocating.

So? Price of Tea in China??

So you're acting like an immoral dick, and being flippant about it isn't helping you lose that image.

ASee post above. Again there are alot easier and 'cheaper' was of obtaining a woman back then.

Except that a lot of rapes don't happen after a carefully considered weighing up of the pros and cons, do they? If they did, we'd have far less of them now. Fucking hell, is there any lengths you won't go to in defense of the indefensible?

Indeed because your core issue is anti-semitism/bigotry.

Oh, fuck right off, you unbelievable wanker. My position is anti rapist, anti slaver, and anti misogynist, fuck you very much. This is blatant poisoning of the well, and coming from an increasingly immoral little shit like you... well, you done pissed me off now. I'll stop, before this just becomes a long line of swear words in increasingly large font.

Because the Jews in the time frame we are speaking did not have the social resources to 'afford' modern "morality" they are being looked down upon. The 'side issues' are being dicussed so that you may see the differences between how you able to live now, verses the options they had then. But, again they are not important because your looking to persecute OT Jews..

Fuck. You.

Again, you seem to imply that there's a context in which rape and slavery and the sale of women is acceptable. You're wrong. I don't care if these people are Jews, or Australians like me, or Americans, or even my own fucking mother and father: this behavior is wrong, and it would be wrong if they lived in a fucking floating metropolis in the year 3000, or a mud fucking hut in the middle of nowhere. There is not a context in which these actions become in any way better, and by pretending that there is, you're just revealing the inner asshole that we're all so very well acquainted with.

Again see post above yours. In that time people were bought and sold. fact of life. They are still bought and sold, fact of life. The only difference is we have renamed and reworked how money exchanges hands. Just because the Jews did not use the methods or use the correct verbage of buying and selling humanity does not make it wrong nor does it make it right. It's just unappologetic in how it speaks of the transactions concerning Human life. Which is the biggest sin against modern morality being discussed here.

Uh huh, that's why we still see people enslaved to a single employer for their entire life, without an option to leave. That's why we see those employers giving wives to people. That's why the criminal justice system has a chapel attached to the prison so those rape victims can go marry their rapists.

This is really fucking stupid, Drich.

Because you can not unrape a woman, therefore there is nothing but reperations to be made by the rapist (At that time.) If this is your only recourse then as a soceity they must make the punishment for rape so costly it does not make sense to rape a woman.

You can't unrape her, but you can ensure she doesn't get MARRIED TO HER FUCKING RAPIST! All the rest is just unpleasant fripperies from an unpleasant man.

again, human being are bought and sold now. The bible simply strips away all of the soceitial pretext we place in front of this act, which is the only real sin (against modern soceity.)

There is no possible way you actually believe this. If you do, you're more stupid than I thought. And that's saying something.

But assuming you do, please detail to me the modern day scenario in which a person is sold to another with no option to leave, and take the consequences of that leaving. Please, do that. I could do with an angry, venom filled laugh.

don't say your free to come and go as you wish. i own a business and have several employees working for me, and I know these guys are here because the literally have to be. Heck I'm here because I literally have to be. If they or I left we would loose everything, and become wards/slaves of the state. How long after that happens would your wife stay? So again, in theory yes you can leave, but only at the cost of everything you have worked for to this point in your life. So in practice you are a slave to the circumstances you have selected for yourself. Which in practice is absolutly no different than where an OT rapist would be.

I'm just going to go ahead and say this: the "in theory you can leave" part, is the important part.

Oh! So's the "you're not allowed to beat your employees, nor can you give them wives so that they stay with you forever" thing. Among other things.

Funny how you skipped over those, huh?

That's just it. Your a do-mas if you think you've gone anywhere.

Your still a slave even if you can not admit it to yourself. and Rape is still being regulated by deturrents.. So what has changed? nothing the only thing one position allows you to do over the other is seperate yourself from God. If that is what you want (seperation) then just nut up, and just spit in the eye of God. you do not need all of this pomp and circumstance to give you an excuse to do the same deed..

Alright, preachy mcgee, whatever you say.

Now, who wants to follow this guy to heaven? Show of hands?

Yeah, I fucking thought so.