One question for Christians

[Statler Waldorf]

Genocides are not treated lightly in today's world. I know this is a hard question, but I still want you to answer it honestly.

I have already; if humanity actually deserves worse than they are getting from God then it’s a moot issue because He’s actually showing mercy.

Oh puh-leeze. I know exactly how babies are made, so you can't pull this one on us. Re-organized matter sound better to you? Also, by what mechanism does your god create? By the way, nice non-answer, but I see that you couldn't answer correctly anyway because you don't even know the first thing about creation, whether it's done by us or your god.

Your supposed analogy was not analogous then, you were trying to compare re-organizing matter with creating matter ex nihilo. God owns mankind because mankind is part of God’s creation, parents do not own their children in the same sense. They have been given rights over their children by He who actually owns their children. Find someone who creates something from nothing and I will agree with you that they can do whatever they please with it.

Yeah, I figured you'd say something like this. I had a gut instinct that you didn't like the idea that we as humans were capable of creating anything, much less our own children. I don't need to try again because I wasn't the one that failed here.

Wait, so even though you knew the analogy was fallacious you still presented it? Why?

Stat I'm not struggling....you missed my point......maybe the thing that pleases your god to do to his creation is sell them a story (including his nature and anything else he handcuffed himself with) and then flip the script at the end

Perhaps, but that’s just the old solipsistic Descartes’ evil demon argument. It doesn’t prove anything because it can apply to any theory of knowledge. The naturalist cannot prove he’s anything more than a singular brain in a vat being stimulated to experience reality either, but so what?

One things for sure.......between the jews ....you christians and the mormons.....gods screwing with someone

Well the Jews worship the same God, they just missed the Messiah. Mormonism entails numerous gods.

And by the way thanks for ruining two of my favorite characters from childhood.

You’re welcome.

Dear Statler, Before I respond to your post I'd like you to provide evidence for your claim that the Jesus of the bible is indeed confirmed to have existed by Historians and that you have an eye witness account to Jesus' life, death, or resurrection.

Well the first one is so concrete that you won’t be able to find two historians that deny the existence of Jesus; so I do not know what you want me to do, just start naming history professors at Universities? It’s like asking someone to prove that the majority of historians believe Napoleon existed; it’s silly to even ask.

"He certainly existed, as virtually every competent scholar of antiquity, Christian or non-Christian, agrees"- Bart Ehrman, 2011 Forged P. 285

“No serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary."- Jesus: An Historian's Review of the Gospels by Michael Grant p. 200

"There are those who argue that Jesus is a figment of the Church’s imagination, that there never was a Jesus at all. I have to say that I do not know any respectable critical scholar who says that anymore."- Jesus Now and Then by Richard A. Burridge and Graham Gould, p. 34

The writer of the Gospel of Matthew was an eye witness to Jesus, as was John. Mark wrote his gospel using the testimony of Peter who was an eye witness to Jesus. Luke was a contemporary historian and physician who knew the apostle Paul and based his gospel off of eye witness accounts. The writer of the epistles, Paul, knew the disciples and based his knowledge of Jesus from their accounts. Jude was the half-brother of Jesus and wrote the book of Jude. Numerous early church fathers write of Jesus and based their writings off of their interactions with the disciples and other eye witnesses. We have an embarrassment of riches really. No other historical figure from that time period is as well attested to as Jesus. I guess I should not be too surprised that there are people who conveniently believe that Jesus never existed, after all many anti-Semites will also deny that the Holocaust ever happened as well. People will believe what they want to believe.

Apparently the NT is all he needs. We can explain to him all the problems with that, but it isn't anything a dose of special pleading won't solve.

A vast majority of historians agree with me, the New Testament and its multiple contemporary authors is all we need. The Jesus Myth crowd is the type of fringe movement that can only be perpetuated by the internet. It is no wonder that many atheists now are beginning to try and distance themselves from it.

Speaking of special pleading, what other historical figures do you also deny existed?

Absolutely it doesn't.

According to whom? You? Why do you still seem to labor under the delusion that your mere opinion proves a thing?

Your god's justification for his psychopathic bloodlust is only satisfactory to other psychopaths, such as yourself.

Do you usually get destroyed in debates by psychopaths or is it just when debating me? I was quite impressed with how well your Steelers played on Sunday by the way, that was some championship football