One question for Christians

[Brakeman]

Genocides are not treated lightly in today's world. I know this is a hard question, but I still want you to answer it honestly.

I have already; if humanity actually deserves worse than they are getting from God then it’s a moot issue because He’s actually showing mercy.

What does one do to deserve genocide? What qualities can you enumerate that our "god given senses of right and wrong" will agree on that deserve genocide and it's related torture, death, and subsequent eternal torture?

Dear Statler, Before I respond to your post I'd like you to provide evidence for your claim that the Jesus of the bible is indeed confirmed to have existed by Historians and that you have an eye witness account to Jesus' life, death, or resurrection.

Well the first one is so concrete that you won’t be able to find two historians that deny the existence of Jesus; so I do not know what you want me to do, just start naming history professors at Universities? It’s like asking someone to prove that the majority of historians believe Napoleon existed; it’s silly to even ask.

Wrong!

"Jesus Never Existed" - Ken Humphrey (1)
and Robert M. Price. (2)
AND ME (3)

a few more:

Harold Leidner, 2000, The Fabrication of the Christ Myth.

Robert M. Price: Deconstructing Jesus. 2003. As ref'd above

Hal Childs, 2000, The Myth of the Historical Jesus and the Evolution of Consciousness

Dennis MacDonald, 2000, The Homeric Epics and the Gospel of Mark.

Burton L. Mack The Christian Myth: Origins, Logic, and Legacy.

Luigi Cascioli, 2001, The Fable of Christ. Indicting the Papacy for profiteering from a fraud!
Israel Finkelstein, Neil Silberman, 2002, The Bible Unearthed

Frank Zindler, 2003, The Jesus the Jews Never Knew.

Daniel Unterbrink, 2004, Judas the Galilean.

Tom Harpur, 2005, The Pagan Christ: Recovering the Lost Light.

Francesco Carotta 2005, Jesus Was Caesar.

Joseph Atwill, 2005, Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus
Michel Onfray Traité d'athéologie (2007 In Defence of Atheism):

Kenneth Humphreys, 2005, Jesus Never Existed. As ref'd above

Jay Raskin, 2006, The Evolution of Christs and Christianities

Thomas L. Thompson, 2006, The Messiah Myth.

Jan Irvin, Andrew Rutajit, 2006, Astrotheology and Shamanism

Roger Viklund, 2008. Den Jesus som aldrig funnits (The Jesus who never existed).

Richard Carrier - Not the Impossible Faith and Sense and Goodness without God.

D. M. Murdock (Acharya S) The Gospel According to Acharya S

Earl Doherty Jesus: Neither God Nor Man - The Case for a Mythical Jesus
Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy -The Jesus Mysteries

"He certainly existed, as virtually every competent scholar of antiquity, Christian or non-Christian, agrees"- Bart Ehrman, 2011 Forged P. 285

“No serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary."- Jesus: An Historian's Review of the Gospels by Michael Grant p. 200

"There are those who argue that Jesus is a figment of the Church’s imagination, that there never was a Jesus at all. I have to say that I do not know any respectable critical scholar who says that anymore."- Jesus Now and Then by Richard A. Burridge and Graham Gould, p. 34

The writer of the Gospel of Matthew was an eye witness to Jesus, as was John. Mark wrote his gospel using the testimony of Peter who was an eye witness to Jesus. Luke was a contemporary historian and physician who knew the apostle Paul and based his gospel off of eye witness accounts. The writer of the epistles, Paul, knew the disciples and based his knowledge of Jesus from their accounts. Jude was the half-brother of Jesus and wrote the book of Jude. Numerous early church fathers write of Jesus and based their writings off of their interactions with the disciples and other eye witnesses. We have an embarrassment of riches really. No other historical figure from that time period is as well attested to as Jesus. I guess I should not be too surprised that there are people who conveniently believe that Jesus never existed, after all many anti-Semites will also deny that the Holocaust ever happened as well. People will believe what they want to believe.

I would bet that if you asked all the mormons if "Moroni" existed then they too would overwhelmingly agree that he did. We have been so flooded with the stupid mess of religiosity and with the underlying threat against dissension that the scholarly world has not had time to freely consider the possibility that he is completely fictional.

Consider how and where one becomes a "bible scholar." Colleges that fund a christian studies program would not be willing to continue to have one if the premise were shown that he does not exist. That wouldn't make the college benefactors very happy would it? Do "Historians" often work themselves out of a job?

Lastly, It matters not the least whittle what some self badged "historian" thinks. There is no qualification to be called a "Historian or bible scholar" It is simply someone who is studying the topic, nothing more.

The more telling glimpse into the truth can be seen when people ask for the evidence that Jesus was real, the Bart Erhmans of the world continue to stammer and provide nothing.

There is a complete lack of contemporary art of jesus, despite the ubiquity on other major historical figures of the time. Why?
Evidence is what matters.