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Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria
(September 12, 2013 at 2:47 pm)festive1 Wrote: I typed out a very wordy response Germans... Then I deleted it... Basically it went: Putin is a shady guy, not a cuddly teddy bear, but that doesn't make him wrong in this instance.

I know full well what Putin is saying is a poisoned apple... It all sounds just a wee bit too good. But that doesn't make him incorrect in certain regards. He's as slimy as a politician can get, but he makes some very valid points. Really, what his op-ed is doing is destabilizing Obama. Politically speaking, it's really quite smart.
The rest of the world is watching the US's political, geopolitical, and economic decline. It's obvious our two party system isn't working the way it should. Without some changes it's clear the current political situation is not sustainable. The Republicans are eating themselves alive and getting crazier by the day. The Democrats are spineless, oligarchs, though the Republicans have more than their fair share of oligarchs too. I think the rest of the world is waiting with baited breath to see how the mighty will fall. Everyone loves a good tragedy after all. The US's situation is a culmination of self-inflicted wounds. What could be more tragic? It's clear the US is in a pronounced period of decline, much like Western Europe following WWII. How will the US handle such damage to their reputation? Will the US continue to dominate in the one arena we clearly have the upper hand in (ie. military power)? Or will we look inwards and fix some of our very serious internal issues? We certainly won't handle it with as much grace as Europe did... which doesn't exactly bode well...

As to Putin not being in a position to champion diplomacy and civilian lives... Well, one would think the Nobel Peace Prize winner would do that instead of insisting on military action against a sovereign nation that has done no direct harm to those outside of their country. One would think Obama would have been the one to seek a diplomatic solution. But no, it wasn't him... It was the thug Russian. That deserves some props, because it takes some balls to stand up to the US who is notorious for simply waltzing in and intervening militarily in various countries, no matter what Putin's personal motivations are.

I do not defend Obama in every single action he has undertaken. I am making a destinction between your domestic problems and foreign policy. What ever your countries people may think of intervention, as long as your country officialy states to be the leader of the free world, it has to serve those responsibilities. That may have been previously abused as recently as during the Bush administration, but it it does not excuse looking away when something happens that may require intervention.

(September 12, 2013 at 4:05 pm)Chuck Wrote: Ah, no. There is no international law that says it is illegal to support a government that the west wants to remove for any reason. There is an international law that say attacking a country that doesn't pose a direct threat to you is illegal without UN sanction.

So Russia is supporting international law where international law has something to say. Russia is supporting Syria where international law has nothing to say.

Don't make the mistake of thinking internaitonal law is whatever suits your personal conception of what western sensibility is for the moment.

As I stated before in a previous point. Russia is not a democracy, the UN and the institutions that enshrine and protect international law are democratic. It is not a coincidence that there is not a single Russian judge at the Hague. To honestly and sincerely participate in a democraticaly structured institution one has to accept and be willing to protect the principles of democracy. Which is why the UN and it`s securety council are a worthless institution, they give democratic possitions to dictators in the naiv hope that they may act in accordance to democratic principles.
So passing a resolution which which would have negative effects on dictatorships in a "parlament" filled with dictators, is like passing a bill condeming fascists in a parlament in which representatives are fascists.

And finaly, no matter how nice the Putins shit cake might smell to some of you, several people in Russian labor camps all accross Sybiria and the people living under the brutal regime in Chechnya, know exactly what intentions lie behind those words.
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Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Rayaan - September 10, 2013 at 4:17 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Creed of Heresy - September 10, 2013 at 6:56 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Faith No More - September 10, 2013 at 7:17 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by KichigaiNeko - September 10, 2013 at 7:13 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Tiberius - September 10, 2013 at 8:16 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by KichigaiNeko - September 10, 2013 at 8:20 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by festive1 - September 10, 2013 at 10:35 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by kılıç_mehmet - September 15, 2013 at 12:06 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Bad Wolf - September 10, 2013 at 9:23 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by KichigaiNeko - September 10, 2013 at 9:25 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Jackalope - September 10, 2013 at 1:51 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 10, 2013 at 1:52 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by festive1 - September 10, 2013 at 2:34 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Creed of Heresy - September 10, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 10, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Autumnlicious - September 10, 2013 at 10:37 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 10, 2013 at 11:01 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by festive1 - September 10, 2013 at 2:49 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Minimalist - September 10, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Minimalist - September 10, 2013 at 1:19 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Minimalist - September 10, 2013 at 2:01 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 10, 2013 at 2:05 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by festive1 - September 10, 2013 at 1:39 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 10, 2013 at 2:48 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by CapnAwesome - September 10, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Jackalope - September 10, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 10, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Jackalope - September 11, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by bladevalant546 - September 10, 2013 at 5:00 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Creed of Heresy - September 11, 2013 at 7:51 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by bladevalant546 - September 10, 2013 at 4:21 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Minimalist - September 10, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Rayaan - September 10, 2013 at 7:30 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Minimalist - September 10, 2013 at 8:20 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Rayaan - September 11, 2013 at 2:24 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Minimalist - September 11, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by DeistPaladin - September 13, 2013 at 11:54 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Minimalist - September 10, 2013 at 9:59 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by CleanShavenJesus - September 11, 2013 at 8:38 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Creed of Heresy - September 11, 2013 at 11:13 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Rayaan - September 11, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 11, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Jackalope - September 11, 2013 at 7:25 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 11, 2013 at 7:32 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Jackalope - September 11, 2013 at 5:55 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Rayaan - September 11, 2013 at 6:26 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by festive1 - September 11, 2013 at 7:17 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by festive1 - September 11, 2013 at 7:44 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 11, 2013 at 7:53 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 11, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by festive1 - September 11, 2013 at 9:32 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 11, 2013 at 11:50 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 11, 2013 at 10:51 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 11, 2013 at 8:12 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 11, 2013 at 8:30 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 11, 2013 at 8:55 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Jackalope - September 11, 2013 at 9:17 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by festive1 - September 11, 2013 at 10:58 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Rayaan - September 12, 2013 at 3:08 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Violet - September 12, 2013 at 1:44 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by festive1 - September 12, 2013 at 7:25 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 12, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Rayaan - September 13, 2013 at 2:58 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by festive1 - September 12, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Something completely different - September 13, 2013 at 5:50 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by festive1 - September 14, 2013 at 6:19 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by festive1 - September 12, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by festive1 - September 13, 2013 at 7:50 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Jackalope - September 13, 2013 at 11:46 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Minimalist - September 13, 2013 at 11:55 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Psykhronic - September 13, 2013 at 11:57 am
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 13, 2013 at 12:10 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Psykhronic - September 13, 2013 at 12:12 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 13, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Brakeman - September 13, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Minimalist - September 13, 2013 at 12:45 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Psykhronic - September 13, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 13, 2013 at 12:48 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Minimalist - September 13, 2013 at 12:55 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Psykhronic - September 13, 2013 at 12:59 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Minimalist - September 13, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 13, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Psykhronic - September 13, 2013 at 12:49 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 13, 2013 at 12:56 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Psykhronic - September 13, 2013 at 1:02 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by DeistPaladin - September 13, 2013 at 1:01 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Minimalist - September 13, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Psykhronic - September 13, 2013 at 1:09 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by A Theist - September 13, 2013 at 1:42 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 13, 2013 at 1:42 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Psykhronic - September 13, 2013 at 1:50 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Minimalist - September 13, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Psykhronic - September 13, 2013 at 4:31 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by A Theist - September 13, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by festive1 - September 13, 2013 at 4:15 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 13, 2013 at 4:31 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 13, 2013 at 7:16 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Anomalocaris - September 13, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Minimalist - September 13, 2013 at 7:55 pm
RE: Exposed: The Obama Invasion of Syria - by Minimalist - September 15, 2013 at 12:26 pm

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