(September 12, 2013 at 7:55 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:What a weasel and dodge that is! Didn't answer the question. You claim that we're guilty of some horrible crime that you avoided describing, then claim that we're so bad we should be killed because god won't die.(September 12, 2013 at 12:28 am)Brakeman Wrote: What does one do to deserve genocide? What qualities can you enumerate that our "god given senses of right and wrong" will agree on that deserve genocide and it's related torture, death, and subsequent eternal torture?
Whether the reprobate agrees with the punishment or not is irrelevant. We do not ask convicted murderers, “Do you think we were too harsh sentencing you to life in prison?” Any crime against a perfect and infinite being is going to deserve an infinite punishment. We should have all just woken up already in Hell; so every breath we are allowed to take is a form of grace made possible by Christ’s work.
Did that response seem good to you when you wrote it?
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I would bet that if you asked all the mormons if "Moroni" existed then they too would overwhelmingly agree that he did. We have been so flooded with the stupid mess of religiosity and with the underlying threat against dissension that the scholarly world has not had time to freely consider the possibility that he is completely fictional.
.. Christian and non-Christian scholars do not always agree, but they unanimously agree that Jesus existed, that should tell you something.
Except you are again lying because they don't. You only accept "Scholars" and "Historians" that agree with your premise, despite the fact that the terms scholar and historian are generic terms to describe someone that is studying a topic. Steeping someone in religious dogma for decades makes them no wiser for identifying unbiased evidence.
For either a historian or a scholar to be the slightest bit relevant they have to study evidence. And that is the evidence you nor Ehrman can provide. Instead you pathetically hide behind the coattails of men who squander monies arguing over fairy tales and myths. You think argumentum ad populum is a strength. Secular Universities' theology departments are not havens for atheists. Chistians go to secular universities too and they are allowed to teach in this field. Atheists do not tend to want to spend precious hours of their lives furthering theology. Duh!
Quote: The more telling glimpse into the truth can be seen when people ask for the evidence that Jesus was real, the Bart Erhmans of the world continue to stammer and provide nothing.
Quote:Bart Ehrman is part of the conspiracy now too?.. We have eye witness testimony..Lies. You have no Eye witness testimony. You have copies of anonymous works of Pseudepigrapha. (Look that up, it is a word bible scholars use to say bullshit so it doesn't scare off their unlearned christian benefactors.)
Quote:Except we do have contemporary art depicting rulers and famous people of that time in the same area. Take a tour of some of Rome's art museums online. Furthermore, We ain't talking about some podunck country evangelist here, we're talking about the most amazing and miraculous man that has ever f==king lived according to the bible. Thousands saw him do miracles and when he died, day turned to night, the earth quaked and zombies jumped out of the ground, yet not one artist was convinced to change his sculptures or carvings of the current roman centurion or fisherman to commemorate him. That's pretty peculiar isn't it. But I'm sure that doesn't bother all the "Scholars" and "Historians" at Liberty bible college.Quote:There is a complete lack of contemporary art of jesus, despite the ubiquity on other major historical figures of the time. Why?
Evidence is what matters.
Christians were living in poverty and persecuted by Rome until Rome’s conversion, how were they going to produce any art that would last for thousands of years? Not only this but because Christians believe Jesus is God, they often will not make images of him in accordance with the Ten Commandments. We do not have contemporary art of most historical figures.
(September 12, 2013 at 6:53 am)Brakeman Wrote: Even the beginning stories of jesus with the impossible star guidance system, strongly point to an imaginary being. Who were the three kings who honored the baby jesus and why was he forgotten by them for thirty years?
Quote:How am I supposed to take you seriously if you keep messing the Biblical account up? Where does it say that three kings visited Jesus?
How many middle class goat herders of the time could afford to travel out of country and donate large gifts of gold and precious gifts? The "Wise" men are often portrayed as kings. Wah Wah, did I step on your precious story? What's your definition of a king? Do we now need to call Bob Jones universities' medieval department and get a popular answer?
I hope someday you come out of your delusion and reread your posts.
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