(September 19, 2013 at 4:31 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:(September 18, 2013 at 7:51 pm)Zone Wrote: We accept the general events of the Iliad seeing as archaeology backs it up but they don't accept the gods being there. This just the general academic standard applied to everything. A modern example would be the Roswell incident, there was a historical incident, there was a government cover up and weren't any aliens. The aliens just got added in there. Anything like that, it's gone.
I am not seeing your point. Secular historians accept that there was a man named Jesus who was executed by the Romans because of the Jewish leadership whose followers believed he was the Messiah and did many miracles. Whether you think those miracles were real miracles or not is irrelevant; that does not mean Jesus should be rejected as a historical figure.
Whoa there! You over reached quite a bit there! The scholars of Erman's ilk agree only that there was a man that the jesus myth was based on, Not that his name was really jesus, not that he was executed by the romans, not that the Jews held sway with the romans to instigate his execution, and certainly not that any miracles were performed by the man. Furthermore, for your stance, all of it needs to be historical, even the miracle birth and the associated magical events by stars, rich wise men, baby slayings, and other verifiable events.
(September 19, 2013 at 4:31 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:(September 18, 2013 at 7:51 pm)Zone Wrote: None of the writers of the New Testament ever knew Jesus personally neither did their sources they got their information from.
I am sorry, but that’s just flat out wrong. John, Peter (through Mark’s gospel), Matthew and Jude all knew Christ personally. Luke was a contemporary of Christ and based his accounts on eye witnesses to Christ. Paul was a contemporary of Christ and knew Christ’s family. We really have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to contemporary sources for Christ.
Unless you can't count the circular reasoning bible as a source to verify the bible..?
If we have so many sources, name 5 contemporary sources dated 1 to 33AD that we have good original evidence of.
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