Ok the something cannot come from nothing argument:
Since you're familiar with psychology, you should know that the human mind is very good at creating order or an illusion of order in the midst of chaos. Logic is manmade. In a different universe than this, I would expect intelligent lifeforms to evolve brains that could decipher that universe, but to us it'd look utterly illogical.
Logic only works because our universe works in a certain way and we have understood it sufficiently to have a working model of logic. If something violates that, then perhaps it's time to revisit our model, not cry in a corner and declare we can know nothing.[/quote]
Quote:(2) "Premise 1 is false, something can come from nothing".Fact of the matter is, who knows if something can come from nothing or not? As far as I know, we don't know what happened in the universe before Planck time, but we do know that at that moment, laws of physics weren't even what they are today. So can we honestly say we know what is going on at the very beginning of the universe? Don't think so. The premise of nothing comes from nothing is false not because something can come from nothing, but because the statement itself has not been proven to be true at the beginning of the universe.
Answer: There are so many problems with this argument, but I will just present two.
Firstly if something can come from nothing we could not do science or rely on rationality, as we could have cats, pianos, memories, thoughts, people, strange beings, different laws of physics etc all appearing out of no where with no causal reason.
Quote:Secondly, if our universe came from nothing, that means the laws of logic came from nothing. Now that means we could have universes (or anything) appearing into existence that do not obey the laws of logic, and if the laws of logic are not universal they can not be by their very nature true. Which ultimately means we can know nothing, and if that is the case why is the skeptic arguing for a rational World View.
Since you're familiar with psychology, you should know that the human mind is very good at creating order or an illusion of order in the midst of chaos. Logic is manmade. In a different universe than this, I would expect intelligent lifeforms to evolve brains that could decipher that universe, but to us it'd look utterly illogical.
Logic only works because our universe works in a certain way and we have understood it sufficiently to have a working model of logic. If something violates that, then perhaps it's time to revisit our model, not cry in a corner and declare we can know nothing.[/quote]
