(September 29, 2013 at 8:29 am)Tonus Wrote:(September 29, 2013 at 8:05 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The punishment for sin is death.You are saying that we are punished for sin, then judged for our sins, then punished or rewarded for our sin. If the wages of sin is death, then that is paid upon death. Any additional reward or punishment is arbitrary. If acceptance of Christ's sacrifice cleanses a person of sin, then they need not die at all and are unfairly punished with death, in which case the sacrifice of Jesus is superfluous-- god would owe them something anyway. It still doesn't make sense.
But after death comes the judgment of where that person.
If saved then that person goes to heaven to be with Jesus Christ.
Quote:As to the crucifixion, it is hardly a small penalty.It is, to a being who has existed for infinite time both before and after. Thirty three years? Three days? Six hours? None of those matter to a being who has always existed. Think of the biggest number you can. Say a trillion trillion trillion years. God is older than that, and will exist for longer than that going forward. The amount of time he suffered compared to the amount of time he has been alive is so short it may as well not even have happened.
Suffering the most hideous torture for a few hours isn't pleasant, but knowing that you're just a few hours from returning to your position as the most powerful being in all of existence probably took just a bit of the edge off of it. Especially knowing that you could return the treatment to your tormentors an infinity-fold. Good thing Yahweh isn't a vengeful god!
Only God could do it.
But Jesus Christ is not only fully God, but fully man.
Still never sinned for 33 years.
Went through a very tough death.
Bore the penalty and guilt of all sins.
None of it is His punishment, but our punishment.