RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 1, 2013 at 8:18 am
(This post was last modified: October 1, 2013 at 8:20 am by SavedByGraceThruFaith.)
(October 1, 2013 at 8:12 am)Crossless1 Wrote:(October 1, 2013 at 7:55 am)Lion IRC Wrote: Actually he'll isn't a threat - it's a menu option.
Christians' seemingly endless supply of bumper sticker spirituality is a wonder to behold. I suppose the people who were burned at the stake or "converted" at the end of a sword took comfort knowing that belief was a menu option.
No need to play the No True Scotsman card -- I know, I know: you're not like the bad old Christians. That isn't the point. To think that Hell isn't a threat is ridiculous. "Believe as I do and you won't be tormented for eternity." Yeah, let's see, fries or onion rings today?
Of course, you haven't given me one good reason to believe in this God or hell.
Jesus Christ warned about fake Christians doing bad things.
That prediction acme true.
One point for the Holy Bible.
Matthew 7:15-16
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Here is what Jesus Christ instructed.
Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
(October 1, 2013 at 7:52 am)Crossless1 Wrote:(October 1, 2013 at 7:04 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: If absolute proof is impossible, maybe calculating the odds against the existence of God may work. But any odds less that a trillion to one would be too risky. Even longer odds would too risky. An analysis of the facts will show the odds are greatly against the atheist being correct.
Huh? Calculating the odds against the existence of God? What the fuck does that even mean? This isn't craps. "An analysis of the facts will show the odds are greatly against the atheist being correct"? Really? Am I supposed to take your word for it? Obviously so since you haven't bothered to actually make this analysis.
As others have said, Pascal's Wager is a transparently bad argument. The Muslim can use it as justifiably (that is to say, not at all) as the Christian. And of course you could both be wrong: What if God values and rewards/condemns not on the basis of silly superstitions and bad reasoning but on the basis of intellectual integrity? Then, my friend, you are screwed.
The Christian's last stand: when all else fails, threaten them with Hell. Pathetic.
If an atheist posits that there in some God to defeat Pascal's wager, the atheist has just contradicted them self. So that argument does not defeat Pascal's wager.
