(October 15, 2013 at 11:53 pm)ThomM Wrote:(May 11, 2011 at 12:24 pm)Godschild Wrote: Prove your statements.
Matthew 16:28 - Luke 9:27 - Mark 9:1 all say that there will be some who will not die before they SEE the kingdom of god in its power. THERE is not a single person from that time alive - NONE - and there has never been another coming of the christ - if there ever was a first one.
Isiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
THERE is not a place in the bible where the christ is referred to in that manner. WE have NO proof he ever lived as well.
The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot (commandments) remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)
The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.
In fact - the Temple of Jerusalem had not yet been destroyed the second time - at the supposed time of the christ - who therefore based on the bible could NOT actually have been the messiah
Of course - the big problem is that the prophecy that the Messiah was to be HUMAN - and will unite the entire world under the jewish religion - points to the problem with xtianity - which is NOT the jewish religion.
Your first and greatest mistake is believing that God is a Jewish religion, God promised Abraham that through him the world would be redeemed. Well the last time I checked the Jewish people do not constitute the whole world. God never intended for the Jewish people to be the only ones to receive Him as there God, never. The prophecies you are referring to are mostly end time prophecy.
Let's address (B) first, the nation of Israel is the only nation to be re-established after a 2000 year exile. Prophecy fulfilled.
Now we'll look at (A) This is an end time prophecy, this is about the New Jerusalem. One yet to be fulfilled.
Okay now © Again an end time prophecy. To be fulfilled soon.
Now (D) Well once again you want to use an end time prophecy, one yet to be fulfilled, as ammunition against something Christ did not fulfill. It's coming and may be sooner than you think.
Yes Christ was descended through king David, the genealogy follows through both Mary and Joseph his earthly guardian. Genesis 49:10 has nothing to do with Christ being descended from king David. This is the prophecy that bothers any Jewish person that know the scriptures. The Messiah was to come before the people of Israel were scattered from Israel all over the world. The nation of Israel was to be redeemed before a complete destruction of Israel took place. The problem the Jewish people have is they did not accept and or recognize God's Messiah when He came just before the destruction of Israel as a nation.
Jesus taught that He did not come to destroy the Law, He came to fulfill it. Jesus said the Law will last forever, that is those things He did not fulfill in His earthly ministry. Read the rest of Zechariah 14 not just the one verse you gave, you will see that only the Festival of Shelters will need to be observed in the New Jerusalem, why, because it's the celebration of thanksgiving. The thanksgiving celebration will be about those who were redeemed by grace through Christ and this will be done for eternity. See John 4:34-38, Jesus spoke these words. Why not the other things that are in the Law, Christ fulfilled them, He came and completed (fulfilled) those parts of the Law.
What does the temple not being destroyed before Christ's death and resurrection have to do with Him not being the Messiah, that's not scriptural. Are you confusing the earthly temple with Christ who was and is the temple. Christ was raised to life and He (the temple) was restored.
Now for the first three verses you gave, they refer to the church, the church is the people of God and His kingdom is the people, no people no kingdom. They were literally several thousand within days of Christ's ascension. Yes we are told of thousands of believers, long before the disciples died. Those verses have nothing to do with the second coming of Christ.
Then the Isaiah verse you gave of Immanuel, the name means God with us and He was, He walked the earth and taught for three short years, and no other religion has a leader that taught for such a short time and became a world dominating religion.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.