RE: Christians, what is your VERY BEST arguments for the existence of God?
January 27, 2010 at 8:55 pm
(This post was last modified: January 27, 2010 at 8:59 pm by Zhalentine.)
Quote:Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Therefore, nothing can occur by 'mere coincidence', because there had to be an original action which caused it. To brush something off as coincidence is feeble because that would deny there was an original action which caused the reaction. A clear contradiction is plain.
You seem to have a problem with definitions. This is a mere observation (with a hint to look up words before you debate), don't go screaming ad hominem on me.
coincidence "happenstance (an event that might have been arranged although it was really accidental)" http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/web...oincidence
No where in the definition nor in my reply did I suggest anything that denied an original action. What I was actually implying in my post is that the mind and body react to the situations (the "action") and lead your friend to make the choices he did. It is a mere coincidence, an event that might have been arranged although it was really accidental, that your friend happened to do all that he did.
Quote:Furthermore, the body and mind work in very complex ways, I do not deny that. But my friend's body did not cause each of the events within this scenario, nor did his mind, other than the decisions he made and the path he took that night. If you can provide me with a more likely and logical idea of how his body or his mind conspired to cause the events that night, I will gladly listen. But the most likely cause, in my eyes, of the reactions that night which occured is that the universe/God was conspiring to help my friend.
When you say "my friend's body did not cause each of the events within this scenario" I get the impression that you think his body doing actions is what i meant. I included body when I was talking about the mind because the nerves are within the body that are not considered part of the brain. If I remember correctly from Anatomy, some reflexes do not enter the mind before the reaction occurs. For example, when you hit your knee's reflex the signal goes to your spinal cord and your spinal cord sends the reaction to your leg muscles (I think this is one of the reflexes that doesn't reach the brain before the body reacts) the original signal continues up the spinal cord and goes into your brain and lets your brain recognize that something hit your leg, but your brain doesn't send the reflex to your leg, the spinal cord does.
The body and mind did not conspire to cause the events that night (I'm just going to refer to the brain for now own because typing body and mind is choppy and now you know what i mean), they were merely reacting to the interactions going on. Your friend didn't choose to leave the party because god lead him to, his brain was subconsciously reacting to the situation and lead him to the conclusion to leave. When you called he could have already been tired from the evening with his other friends and decided to go home instead.
Quote:Nor is God within the hypothetical situation. In the scenario, you are able to see your friend's position clearly and understand it completely because you are emotionally connected to them, and can read between the lines of what they are saying. You still have the option to go with option A if you wish, but option B has been made clearer because you understand the person offering it to you, and by extension, you understand their proposition.
So we're both in agreement that out of free will I chose to go with option B.