(October 21, 2013 at 6:34 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:(October 21, 2013 at 6:20 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: No it doesn't. The universe isn't an event or process that ever began to occur nor a process or sequence of events in itself!
(Prove that wrong)
It has a beginning, it has an end and this stuff happens/developments in the middle. This is certainly one massive event that is currently occurring right now.
It runs along a thermodynamic energy gradient as described here.
http://joyuscrynoid.hubpages.com/hub/Max...Production
God will be the unmoved mover as described by Aristotle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmoved_mover
So you can see that makes more sense than the universe "just existing" you have some kind of set-up there that makes sense.
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Okay great, your argument proves deism at best, tell me now how do prove that it is your god behinds this and not one of the thousand other gods that humanity has worshipped
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
