Sinful Believers Wearing Their Sins

[Drich]

where does the bible make this conection? (B/C/V Please)

Ex 20:3-4 (NIV) "You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below."


Phil 3:19 (NIV) "Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things."

There you go.

Ooooo, fun! Someone has found some courage to step to the plate!! get it?

Phil 3 in context:
15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. 16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule,[b] let us be of the same mind. 17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. 18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things. 20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

Then let's look at the koine word for belly, Transliteration
koilia
Pronunciation
koi-lē'-ä (Key)

It can mean gluttony, and it can mean womb, but it can also mean the innermost part of a man, the soul, heart as the seat of thought, feeling, choice.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexi...2836&t=KJV

Now take an honest look at the passage from verse 15 to 20 again has food been mentioned once? Has the mind or the 'seat of thought' been mentioned in this passage? Yes several times. The whole last 1/2 of the chapter is about transforming how believers are to think. So given the evidence what is more likely? Is Paul speaking to Gluttony/food (even though it has not been mentioned in this chapter?) or is Paul speaking against going with gut feelings and worshiping what ever 'feels' right?

And to my friend who has built his 'house' upon the sand there you go.

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So, you do know the difference between a PROVERB and a Law or command right?

The verse CLEARLY gives a directive not to be a glutton and a drunkard. However, since YOU are the most important interpreter of the bible and there is no other christians who would ever disagree with you than we can all CLEARLY agree that gluttony is ok and so is drinking.

Since its more important to prove Min wrong, you should definitely go against your own scriptures .... you know ... just to prove some ridiculous point. Idiot.

To whom was this directive given? (The OT Jews) When? (Durning or even after the reign of Solomon which was at least 500 years after the law was given to Moses.) so then the question becomes Why wasn't it included in the pentetuch? The obvious answer... It was a proverb or saying like a penny saved is a penny earned, or the easily bird catches the worm. Or it is the second mouse that gets the cheese... Not law. The law of Moses was completed by Moses, that it is why it was called the law of Moses.
Therefore this 'directive' is relegated to a wiseman's proverb/the way the wise live their life not as the law of Moses.

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I still don't have a good definition of "sin." It is usually defined by theists as "things that displease god." Yet what is a sin changes from religion to religion, sect to sect, and person to person. Is being fat a sin or not? Is drinking to excess a sin or not?

Odd that shoving corn dogs in one end and displaying it openly is perfectly fine, but shoving penises in the other and displaying it openly is a sin. Why would anyone take someone as persnickety as the christian god seriously?

Sin is anything that places one outside the expressed will of God.

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Looks like another sunday schooler who missed the day they taught the difference between a PROVERB and a Law or command of God.

So I guess that thing about homosexuality doesn't count then? So why are Christians in such an uproar against homosexuality?

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All have sinned. Everyone! Pointing this out does not make Christianity less true. It actually supports the reason we as humans need Christianity.

Only if you can prove there's a god to sin against. Otherwise it sounds like you're creating the problem and then offering the only solution.

Because there is not a Santified pretext in which homosexual sex can be permitted. In essence all sex out side the bounds of a Santified marriage is a sin. God does not permit same sex marriages, therefore all homosexual sex is outside the bounds of a Santified marriage making it a sin.