Women's Rights and Religion

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Wow, hostile much? Not trying to change your views, you will believe them forever and nothing can ever change that. This internet guy is merely offering a counter-perspective to other thinking individuals who might offer intelligent discourse.

Just honest. And I'm not interested in saying things that imply that I'm somehow more polite than whoever I'm talking to, I consider those to be dirty tactics, which is the only aim of saying things like "I'm not attacking your views" thus implying that I do not respect your views. Well, I don't, I hope that has been obvious.

Actually, God does decide who lives and dies, he breathed life into you, and it will leave one day when he calls you back, we all will. Being born is a death sentence. You pass a moral pronouncement that it is "wrong" and utterly immoral for God to decide who lives and dies, but when a pregnant woman decides who lives and who dies, it is her god-given right, err, I mean voted-in right.

Nope. Wrong. God doesn't exist. Yes, women have the right to do abortions, it's a pretty recent thing too. Thank god rights aren't attributed by god, eh?

YES it is utterly immoral for god to decide who lives or dies. Not in his point of view, but in my moral views, yes it is utterly immoral. I don't think the chicken thinks it's very moral of men to put them in small cages and steal their eggs, do they?

Wow, New living translation; thoroughly twisted by Catholic hacks. An utter abortion contrived form the equally absurd The Living Bible. If you have a barf bag handy, read Roman 13, its epic. If you would like accurate context, look at a manuscript that isn't wholly painted with blatant crap, and any scholar worth anything cringes at the mention of NLT. Try KJV:
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

Servants have always existed in the world, not the same as slavery. We are all servants to something, most of America is servant to US Bank, and Visa. We weren't captured in a net and drug off, we voluntarily checked in to our servitude.

Oh really? Some new verses then:
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)


Also, I gave you 2 verses previously, mind showing the KJV translations for both? And it's pretty funny of you to say that the KJV is more likely the word of god than other translations.

You are confusing social stature having anything to do with the essential worth God esteems for all mankind. So in your intuition and feeling, you decide who has essential worth and who doesn't?

Not intuition, empirical. Rapists have less worth than doctors. Hitler has less worth than a baby. Everybody assigns worth, you're more willing to die for A than for B. God doesn't exist. He doesn't think all mankind have the same worth, he has his own chosen people who he leads to war with other nations. He saves Noah but kills everyone. He's not really the poster boy for equal rights.

Newsflash, that's not essential worth, that attributed worth. And again, it cannot exist apart from a transcendent framework, it cannot exist in a purely material world. We don't value our kids based on how fast they run, or how good of drawers they are, or how good at checkers they are. They are infinitely valuable and have untold essential worth to God, and to parents that aren't jacked up.

And yet it does exist. You value your kids because they have your genetic material. This is once again, something that has been empirically proven in animals, not humans, but we humans are way more similar in genetics as a whole, compared to other species. But I bet my ass you'll pick your child over someone else's child everyday if it ever gets down to it.

What I am saying, is when Evolution is the prime backbone of a societies' values, eugenics comes into play.

And I explicitly said that eugenics is not any part of evolution and it's a human rights issue. Are you just going to ignore what I say and repeat yourself?

Human rights are trampled for "the greater good" and men with short mustaches wreak havoc. When we adopt a new societal value based on nothing other than evolutionary biology, we mustn't cry foul when we reap the extrapolated metaphysical outworkings; ie., unbridled bloodshed. I fear a world where the checks and balances of life's sanctity is removed and exchanged for a morality firmly planted with it's feet in mid-air.

If you're trying to accuse noncreationists of championing eugenics, you should stop right here because that's a very dishonest stance and I have not brought up eugenics or suggested that I support eugenics. If you want to carry on, you can start a new thread and I will explain to you why it has nothing to do with evolution and everything to do with human rights.

So even the most esteemed secular scholars from Oxford and Harvard are buying into that silly old book? Most of recorded human history, is contained therein, you don't have to believe everything you read, but to blatantly call the bible "fake" is a bit childish and exposes your mis-understanding of top-level secular scholarship..

Argument from authority? If you have prove that the bible accurately records history or the word of god or science just present them. No one has yet.

One day, when this facade of a non-moral construct erodes and collapsible under the weight of its "new morality", as did our Roman ancestor's, complaining will fall on deaf ears.

It's rather sad that you think morality only exist if there's a god. I don't know what I'd do if I thought I could only get moral values from and external source and not myself. Also not quite sure what you're hinting at.[/quote]