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Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF)
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RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF)
xpastor Wrote:Still not getting it are you?

Lion IRC Wrote:The point is that if I lived in in Ur/Iraq or Bethlehem/Palestine in that case THEN I might be accused of adopting the culturally relevant religion.

But Jews in New York and Jews in Palestine live in vastly different cultures and yet they have the same ancient neolithic religion.

I didn't 'adopt' Abrahamic monotheism.
ABRAHAM did!
He is the cause and he is about as far away from me in distance and antiquity as you can get.

In terms of post modern culture - media, music, cuisine, Internet, commerce, zeitgeist, etc. - I am culturally closer to the atheists around here, than I am to Isaac or Ishmael.
You are still obfuscating ... or maybe obtuscating. Loftus does not say that people adopt a faith because they live in cultural conditions replicating those of the early days of that faith....

No need to tell me what what he does 'not' say. We are discussing what he DID say.
And my point is that the cultural conditions can vary dramatically in various places around the world and yet people - ie. Jews and Muslims and Christians can nonetheless still have the same religion as people on the other side of the world.
AND the same religion as people who lived thousands of years ago in the time of Moses and Jesus and Abraham etc.

xpastor Wrote:...BTW, as for "neolithic religion" the conventional dates for Abraham and Moses put them well within the Bronze Age, if they existed.

How about Ham and Shem and Japheth? How about Job? How about Methuselah? How about all the monotheists who lived long before Abraham?

I worship the same God they did.
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Messages In This Thread
Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by xpastor - November 25, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 25, 2013 at 4:55 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Zen Badger - November 25, 2013 at 7:57 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Cinjin - November 25, 2013 at 5:46 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by freedomfromforum - November 25, 2013 at 5:58 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - November 25, 2013 at 7:33 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by MindForgedManacle - November 25, 2013 at 10:50 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Lion IRC - November 25, 2013 at 10:59 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by thesummerqueen - November 25, 2013 at 11:09 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Lion IRC - November 25, 2013 at 11:14 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by xpastor - November 26, 2013 at 7:12 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by thesummerqueen - November 25, 2013 at 11:17 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Lion IRC - November 25, 2013 at 11:21 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by houseofcantor - November 26, 2013 at 10:12 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by thesummerqueen - November 25, 2013 at 11:32 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 1:06 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by freedomfromforum - November 26, 2013 at 2:16 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 2:26 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by max-greece - November 26, 2013 at 2:27 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by freedomfromforum - November 26, 2013 at 2:32 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 1:18 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Bipolar Bob - November 26, 2013 at 2:07 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 11:30 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 1:15 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Cinjin - November 26, 2013 at 1:28 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 2:30 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by GodsRevolt - November 26, 2013 at 4:31 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by freedomfromforum - November 26, 2013 at 4:36 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by GodsRevolt - November 26, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 6:13 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 9:37 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 11:32 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by xpastor - November 26, 2013 at 11:51 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 5:03 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by xpastor - November 27, 2013 at 10:57 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Lion IRC - November 28, 2013 at 2:08 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by GodsRevolt - November 27, 2013 at 10:26 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Zazzy - November 27, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by GodsRevolt - November 28, 2013 at 5:33 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Zazzy - November 28, 2013 at 9:26 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Esquilax - November 29, 2013 at 12:51 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Esquilax - November 28, 2013 at 1:02 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by xpastor - November 28, 2013 at 7:29 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by GodsRevolt - November 28, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by houseofcantor - November 28, 2013 at 10:38 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 27, 2013 at 10:37 pm
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 28, 2013 at 9:52 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by MindForgedManacle - November 29, 2013 at 12:04 am
RE: Outsider's Test of Faith (OTF) - by Zazzy - November 29, 2013 at 9:28 am

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