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Question about female worth in islam.
RE: Question about female worth in islam.
(November 30, 2013 at 2:57 pm)Nineteen Wrote:
(November 30, 2013 at 2:01 pm)WesOlsen Wrote: You do realise that you've just exposed the major weakness of the Islamic doctrine yourself, that is that people can interpret it in different ways, and that fundamentalists are able to force the most extreme elements to the forefront and suppress other elements. You also realise that the major strength of modern secular legal systems is that they are open to democratic processes and can be UPDATED and IMPROVED over time, in such a way that certain concepts can be expanded and explained in a clear and concise way. Any system that isn't open to change is extremely dangerous, and you've just basically exposed Islam for what it is: an unclear and highly volatile system that not even Muslims can agree on. Even if we pretend that as a women you aren't treated as filth, you've just said yourself that there are many Muslims who want to ban you from websites for being too liberal with your interpretations. Does that not set alarm bells ringing in your head? Would you not prefer a legal and moral code that is adaptable and open to different thoughts, that may be improved over time so that everyone can get the best out of it? Why would you want a sexist medieval system that hasn't changed in several hundred years? That's a BAD thing, not a good thing.

But that's simply not true, you CAN discern the main concepts and teachings through translations in to other language, and even if there was some sort of poetic mystery that was lost in translation (which is purely wishful thinking) what about all the ARABIC speakers (Christians, jews and ex-muslims) who find the same contradictions and faults in Islam? It is not infallible, it is full of contradictions just like any text that isn't allowed to be changed or updated.

Before you write these things , you should read about Arabic language features . It is unlike any other language and there is a rich narrative structure . Words have so much meanings and this meanings varies by where it is used or which attachments are used . Arabic is one of the world's difficult languages . For example I could not translate the world "evliaye" in English , I said ally , but still its not the same . But interpreters translate it as "friend" , this is false .

We dont kill our prophets and we dont change our holy book . 2x2 was 4 1500 years ago and today its still the same .

If you dont want me to ignore you , dont imply to me being atheist .

You appear to think of yourself as a moderate Muslim, however your attitude to the Quran doesn't seem to support that position.
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Question about female worth in islam. - by Aegrus - February 13, 2013 at 12:06 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Rayaan - February 13, 2013 at 12:45 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Aegrus - February 13, 2013 at 1:45 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by CapnAwesome - February 13, 2013 at 10:48 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Kayenneh - February 13, 2013 at 4:43 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WinterHold - February 13, 2013 at 9:57 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Dee Dee Ramone - February 13, 2013 at 10:04 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WinterHold - February 13, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Zone - February 13, 2013 at 10:41 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WinterHold - February 13, 2013 at 12:18 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Dee Dee Ramone - February 13, 2013 at 10:49 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Kayenneh - February 13, 2013 at 12:40 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WinterHold - February 13, 2013 at 1:54 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Dee Dee Ramone - February 13, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WinterHold - February 13, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Dee Dee Ramone - February 13, 2013 at 2:19 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Kayenneh - February 13, 2013 at 2:12 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Aegrus - February 13, 2013 at 2:14 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Kayenneh - February 13, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Aegrus - February 13, 2013 at 2:17 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Kayenneh - February 13, 2013 at 2:18 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Kayenneh - February 13, 2013 at 2:20 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Dee Dee Ramone - February 13, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Aegrus - February 13, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Dee Dee Ramone - February 13, 2013 at 2:24 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by paulpablo - February 13, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Aegrus - February 13, 2013 at 2:29 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by frankiej - February 13, 2013 at 2:34 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Aegrus - February 13, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nine - February 13, 2013 at 2:42 pm
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RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Chas - July 23, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Minimalist - October 29, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nine - February 13, 2013 at 2:36 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Kayenneh - February 13, 2013 at 2:31 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WinterHold - February 13, 2013 at 2:31 pm
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RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by paulpablo - February 14, 2013 at 8:03 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Zone - February 15, 2013 at 12:54 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WinterHold - February 15, 2013 at 2:48 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Zone - February 15, 2013 at 3:25 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WinterHold - February 16, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by paulpablo - February 21, 2013 at 6:51 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Kayenneh - February 13, 2013 at 2:38 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Kayenneh - February 13, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Dee Dee Ramone - February 13, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Kayenneh - February 13, 2013 at 2:52 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Zone - February 13, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by PyroManiac - February 26, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by SiRade - April 10, 2013 at 9:35 am
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RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Kim - July 23, 2013 at 11:13 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Marvin - October 30, 2013 at 7:16 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Chas - October 30, 2013 at 12:28 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WesOlsen - November 2, 2013 at 11:46 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Dragonetti - November 3, 2013 at 8:37 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WesOlsen - November 3, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Ayen - November 4, 2013 at 5:08 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WesOlsen - November 4, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Aegrus - November 6, 2013 at 12:16 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WesOlsen - November 6, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Sleepy - November 28, 2013 at 12:33 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Silver - November 28, 2013 at 3:06 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by The Valkyrie - November 28, 2013 at 6:35 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WesOlsen - November 28, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WesOlsen - November 28, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 28, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 28, 2013 at 7:06 pm
Re: Question about female worth in islam. - by NoraBrimstone - November 28, 2013 at 7:14 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Silver - November 28, 2013 at 7:16 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 28, 2013 at 7:17 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Silver - November 28, 2013 at 8:57 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WesOlsen - November 29, 2013 at 4:34 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 29, 2013 at 7:02 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by pocaracas - November 29, 2013 at 7:15 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 29, 2013 at 7:27 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Chas - November 29, 2013 at 10:03 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WesOlsen - November 29, 2013 at 7:15 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WesOlsen - November 29, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 29, 2013 at 7:52 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 29, 2013 at 9:11 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by NoraBrimstone - November 29, 2013 at 9:20 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by pocaracas - November 29, 2013 at 9:31 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 29, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 29, 2013 at 10:13 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by NoraBrimstone - November 29, 2013 at 10:23 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 29, 2013 at 11:34 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 29, 2013 at 2:18 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 30, 2013 at 11:22 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by pocaracas - November 30, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by pocaracas - November 29, 2013 at 10:32 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WesOlsen - November 29, 2013 at 10:53 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WesOlsen - November 29, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WesOlsen - November 30, 2013 at 5:16 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by NoraBrimstone - November 30, 2013 at 6:08 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Chas - November 30, 2013 at 7:54 am
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WesOlsen - November 30, 2013 at 2:01 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 30, 2013 at 2:57 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Chas - November 30, 2013 at 3:07 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Sleepy - November 30, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 30, 2013 at 3:14 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Silver - November 30, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Chas - November 30, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 30, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Chas - November 30, 2013 at 4:40 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 30, 2013 at 5:53 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 30, 2013 at 7:14 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WesOlsen - November 30, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 30, 2013 at 4:24 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Silver - November 30, 2013 at 4:27 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Silver - November 30, 2013 at 4:22 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 30, 2013 at 4:31 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by NoraBrimstone - November 30, 2013 at 5:06 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Whateverist - November 30, 2013 at 4:31 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WesOlsen - November 30, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 30, 2013 at 6:27 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by NoraBrimstone - November 30, 2013 at 6:30 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by WesOlsen - November 30, 2013 at 7:08 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by pocaracas - November 30, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 30, 2013 at 7:44 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Chas - November 30, 2013 at 7:57 pm
RE: Question about female worth in islam. - by Nineteen - November 30, 2013 at 7:59 pm

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