The catch-all gun thread

[Kayenneh]

Please explain your proposed plan to remove all guns from the United States of America and we can discuss the probability of success.

I did not suggest that, all I'm saying that permission to carry a gun should be much more selective.

While you're at it why don't you also propose a plan to keep out all the drugs and illegal immigrants that flood into our country as well despite all our attempts to stop it.

A non sequitur.
Firstly, I'm all for legalizing all drugs, but again with limits, and secondly I have no opinion on immigrant quotas for the US.

It appears you still haven't realized this, so let me spell it out as simply as I can: criminal don't obey gun laws. If you ban guns, the only people you'll be disarming are innocent people. Krav Maga (or any other martial arts for that matter) will be completely useless against someone with a gun.

Actually, it's you who fail to see the point, and the big picture. I didn't mention criminals obtaining guns illegally, because it's so obvious. What I'm trying to get across here is not those who are criminals, but the trigger happy nutters with guns. Easy gun access leads to higher probabilities to get shot, regardless if the person shooting you is a previous criminal or not. Tell me, just how many times have you had someone point a gun at you with malicious intent? If you feel like you need to protect yourself against people with guns, it defeats the purpose if everyone are allowed to carry one, since without guns, no threat. And, there's a much deeper problem if civilians can't depend on law enforcement to do their jobs, without being corrupt or biased etc. That however does not get corrected by letting everyone carry guns and "defend themselves", but by addressing the problem of corruption. And if you like FFF keep your guns locked up, well, good luck if you aren't home and someone puts a gun to your temple. You're screwed anyways, gun owner or not. If the perpetrator is close enough, I can guarantee you that martial arts come in handy. As for banning guns I have never suggested that and I am not of the opinion that it's a good idea.

As an European, I cannot agree on that. In my eyes e.g. US health care makes your country most definitely a tyranny.

That makes absolutely no sense. What is tyrannical about it? Please compare to health care in European countries.

You are treated badly by your elected officials and still those most screwed over think that you have a bulletproof system and a great country. As for health care, it's fucked up that it's treated like a business and not focusing on the part where healthy people contribute better to the society. But honestly, this is a huge topic, let's keep on track and focus on the guns.

Not everyone is physically capable of doing so. It is not realistic to expect those most in need of defense to be able to use that.

And not everyone is mentally capable of handling a gun.
Building a wobbly jenga tower on shitty principles does not deal with the underlying problems and instead of fixing anything it creates more conflict.

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