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Why do so many People Hate Zionism?
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RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism?
(December 8, 2013 at 3:08 am)Raven Wrote: Furthermore, he conveniently neglects to mention the fact that the only reason they are there is because they were installed there after WWII. True, Zionism existed prior to that, based upon the idea of it having been their Biblical homeland. But the Palestinians were living there, and have every right to it. Their claim is far more immediate, if you see my point. I can empathize with their lobbying for a right to return. From a pragmatic point I can never see that happening. The Israelis aren't about to leave, ever.

I have absolutely nothing against Zionism. I can empathize with the desire to return to what they feel is their Biblical homeland. Were I Jewish I would also have such feelings. Just don't try and say that Israel is not a theocracy. It is. Sure, you have free elections, and an essentially parliamentary government with the Knesset. But it
is a de facto theocracy even if it is not a de jure one. The Orthodox factions have inordinate influence with the government even while the average Israeli is on the secular side.

A two state solution that lets everybody get something of their own is the only rational one. Palestinians and Israelis both have a right to secure lands of their own. As to whether such a sensible solution comes to pass is debatable.

Don't be calling the Arabs savages. They are people. They have to live to. I can think of a lot of Americans who behave savagely. It happens. Never paint a whole race with one brush. That is just plain wrong.

Israel is not a theocracy! It is both de jure & de facto secular. Gays have more rights in Israel than any other Middle Eastern country; yet the Torah calls for them to be killed. Many of Israel's leaders have been atheists (when the Torah calls for the killing of non-believers), including Israel's great Iron Lady; Golda Meir (who just happens to appear on the money). The Torah says a woman may never have authority over a man; and yet Israel has had many women leaders. Is this theocracy?

(December 8, 2013 at 12:16 am)Moros Synackaon Wrote:
(December 7, 2013 at 11:12 pm)Rahul Wrote: If they happen to kill some Muslims while defending themselves I'm not going to shed any tears. In fact I may donate some ammo.

So you have no problem if Indians overrun your lands and evict you? They've been persecuted and marginalized.

I'll donate money to them! /s

Everything you just said can be turned around to rip your possessions from you.

And the focus on killing preferentially muslims (over aggressors, theives, etc)?

Racist.
No, the Indians have been horribly mistreated, but 6 million of them haven't been killed. And Islam isn't a race, it is a totalitarian ideology.

Golda Meir Wrote:There were no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian state? It was either southern Syria before the First World War, and then it was a Palestine including Jordan. It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist.
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Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by TaraJo - December 7, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by TaraJo - December 7, 2013 at 5:24 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Ryantology - December 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by TaraJo - December 7, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Ryantology - December 7, 2013 at 7:05 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Minimalist - December 7, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 8:36 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Ryantology - December 7, 2013 at 10:02 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 10:09 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Chas - December 10, 2013 at 10:33 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by daandaan - December 10, 2013 at 10:37 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Minimalist - December 7, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 10:38 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Minimalist - December 7, 2013 at 10:39 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Minimalist - December 7, 2013 at 10:48 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by houseofcantor - December 15, 2013 at 10:07 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Ryantology - December 7, 2013 at 11:09 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Rahul - December 7, 2013 at 11:12 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Autumnlicious - December 8, 2013 at 12:16 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Rahul - December 8, 2013 at 11:58 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Minimalist - December 7, 2013 at 11:50 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by theyear12013 - December 8, 2013 at 12:17 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Cinjin - December 8, 2013 at 12:25 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Raven - December 8, 2013 at 3:08 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 8, 2013 at 11:33 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Autumnlicious - December 8, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Rahul - December 9, 2013 at 9:25 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Autumnlicious - December 8, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Autumnlicious - December 8, 2013 at 4:02 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Ryantology - December 8, 2013 at 4:04 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 8, 2013 at 8:47 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Raven - December 8, 2013 at 4:18 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by max-greece - December 8, 2013 at 4:20 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Autumnlicious - December 8, 2013 at 9:37 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 8, 2013 at 9:54 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Chas - December 10, 2013 at 10:59 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Autumnlicious - December 10, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Chas - December 10, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Raven - December 8, 2013 at 9:50 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 8, 2013 at 11:03 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by theyear12013 - December 9, 2013 at 12:27 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 9, 2013 at 12:51 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by theyear12013 - December 9, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by daandaan - December 9, 2013 at 2:36 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Autumnlicious - December 9, 2013 at 12:57 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 9, 2013 at 1:16 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by daandaan - December 9, 2013 at 1:27 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Minimalist - December 9, 2013 at 2:58 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Rev. Rye - December 9, 2013 at 11:00 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by daandaan - December 10, 2013 at 8:44 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Rev. Rye - December 10, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Zazzy - December 10, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 10, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Zazzy - December 10, 2013 at 11:57 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 10, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Zazzy - December 10, 2013 at 12:48 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 10, 2013 at 1:21 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Autumnlicious - December 10, 2013 at 5:48 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 11, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 11, 2013 at 8:29 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 11, 2013 at 8:37 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 11, 2013 at 8:57 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 11, 2013 at 9:17 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 11, 2013 at 10:12 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 11, 2013 at 10:50 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 11, 2013 at 10:59 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 11, 2013 at 11:14 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 11, 2013 at 11:35 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 12, 2013 at 12:01 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 12:03 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 12, 2013 at 12:12 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 12:16 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 12, 2013 at 12:18 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 12:20 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 12, 2013 at 12:24 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 12:30 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 12, 2013 at 12:35 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 12:38 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 12, 2013 at 12:49 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Jackalope - December 11, 2013 at 8:33 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Lemonvariable72 - December 12, 2013 at 12:41 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 12:43 am
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 12, 2013 at 11:19 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Chas - December 12, 2013 at 11:42 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 12, 2013 at 6:42 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 8:25 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 12, 2013 at 8:39 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Mr Greene - December 12, 2013 at 10:12 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Mr Greene - December 12, 2013 at 11:16 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Polaris - December 12, 2013 at 10:28 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 12, 2013 at 11:35 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 13, 2013 at 12:05 am
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 13, 2013 at 4:57 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 13, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 13, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 13, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 13, 2013 at 7:54 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 13, 2013 at 8:37 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Polaris - December 13, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 13, 2013 at 8:41 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Anomalocaris - December 13, 2013 at 8:45 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 13, 2013 at 8:50 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Anomalocaris - December 14, 2013 at 12:53 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Mr Greene - December 14, 2013 at 1:30 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 14, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Mr Greene - December 15, 2013 at 12:58 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 15, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Polaris - December 14, 2013 at 9:52 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 14, 2013 at 10:28 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Polaris - December 14, 2013 at 10:39 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 14, 2013 at 10:44 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Anomalocaris - December 15, 2013 at 2:33 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Chas - December 15, 2013 at 1:06 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Zen Badger - December 15, 2013 at 2:50 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Mr Greene - December 15, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 15, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by theyear12013 - December 15, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 15, 2013 at 10:51 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by theyear12013 - December 16, 2013 at 1:21 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Jackalope - December 16, 2013 at 2:14 am
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 18, 2013 at 5:14 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Chas - December 18, 2013 at 12:44 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by là bạn điên - December 18, 2013 at 6:56 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Brakeman - December 18, 2013 at 8:31 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Mr Greene - December 18, 2013 at 7:43 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 18, 2013 at 8:16 am
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 18, 2013 at 9:34 am
Re: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by NoraBrimstone - December 18, 2013 at 11:20 am
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 18, 2013 at 12:49 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Chas - December 18, 2013 at 1:47 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by A-g-n-o-s-t-i-c - December 18, 2013 at 1:56 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by downbeatplumb - December 18, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 18, 2013 at 10:12 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 18, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 18, 2013 at 11:11 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 18, 2013 at 11:21 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by theyear12013 - December 19, 2013 at 12:39 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by NoraBrimstone - December 19, 2013 at 4:14 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by max-greece - December 19, 2013 at 4:46 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by NoraBrimstone - December 19, 2013 at 4:53 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 19, 2013 at 10:51 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 19, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 19, 2013 at 12:32 am
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 19, 2013 at 2:44 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by max-greece - December 19, 2013 at 4:55 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by NoraBrimstone - December 19, 2013 at 5:09 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by A-g-n-o-s-t-i-c - December 19, 2013 at 11:12 am
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 19, 2013 at 10:59 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by theyear12013 - December 19, 2013 at 11:49 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by A-g-n-o-s-t-i-c - December 20, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 20, 2013 at 9:18 am
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 20, 2013 at 11:37 pm

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