RE: Maybe People Should Not Look Up To YouTube Atheist
December 10, 2013 at 9:53 am
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2013 at 9:56 am by Zazzy.)
(December 10, 2013 at 9:30 am)MarxRaptor Wrote: Indeed, I do believe that a big part of the problem is that girls are taught to be passive & submissive (something I actually agree with feminists on). If girls were less so rape would not be such a big problem (and aggressive girls are hawtIt's more than just being taught to be passive.).
We are taught to look good, and we WANT to look good. So we go out to a bar looking good. We may actually want to meet men. When men pay attention to us, it's supposed to feel good, and a lot of the time, it does. If a guy gets inappropriate, we are subtly taught that that's our fault, because after all, we went out looking good and wanting to meet men. If we didn't want that type of attention, why did we go out like that?
So getting angry about it seems wrong to many women, because they're stuck in that mindfuck, and they don't want to be seen as shrill or aggressive- that's not what we came out to do. It's a bad position to be put in. But if more women would stop being afraid of public scenes, men would learn better what is and is not appropriate. It's too bad that the onus is on women, because that's not fair. But it is on us.
I've never understood why men also don't speak up more often when their friends act like this.
(December 10, 2013 at 9:50 am)davidMC1982 Wrote: What makes it harder is that not many of us will be able to determine a reasonable definition of consent. Certainly, there will be cases of explicit consent. However, there are surely as many (or more) cases involving implicit consent and this opens up a massive grey area.1.) If the word "no" is said, at any point, there is no consent.
2.) If she's incapacitated, there's no consent, even if she seemed willing earlier.
No gray area.
