RE: Maybe People Should Not Look Up To YouTube Atheist
December 10, 2013 at 9:42 pm
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2013 at 10:10 pm by Lemonvariable72.)
(December 10, 2013 at 7:41 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:Well first off the going nut bit was not ment for you at all, rather just how some people are bout these issues. I also understand that girls are fed allot of bullshit about what prevents rape. I personally carry a weapon for self defence. What I was listing off before is really stuff that should people ( the stuff for men and girls) is stuff people should do any way for a lot of reasons besides avoiding rape. And ultimately your right you can never eliminate the risk, evil people exist and will do evil things. Even if you had a guard dog and full alarm someone could still cut the power and shoot the dog. Now let me ask you which point did I bring up that you think is wrong, or ineffectual? As for your personal incident, I hope the piece of shit paid for it. I am truly sorry to hear it.(December 10, 2013 at 1:59 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: So because a million scenarios could happen you should not do in your power to try to prevent them? That's what I advocate,doing what is in your power to protect your self. Obviously there are a million scenarios that could happen where you would not be successful, that doesn't mean something like bear mace won't increase your chances of being successful at defending yourself.
Let me say it like this, why do you put a lock on your door someone could pick a lock?
BTW the sort of behavior that fall into the category you ask of is simple. You identify which behaviours increase your chances of becoming a victim and avoid them. Of the ones I listed earlier, you should avoid those anyway.
You're not understanding me. The things you have to do to "prevent rape" is fucking bullshit. It makes your life difficult and inconvenient and it gives you no significant chance of survival. And yes, women are told since they're little girls what to do to "prevent" harassment or rape, we've been told by everyone how to "be careful" as if it makes a difference well it really doesn't. Muslims girls have been told that the hijab will protect them, and the rest of us have been told that if we're careful enough that'll protect us. Well, the first time I was molested I was 8 and my parents were in the same room but weren't looking. I had no idea what the fuck was happening. If only I had a mace, right? I showed you the website in hopes that you can understand the variety of situations in which a man would rape a girl and then maybe you'll understand that it's quite ridiculous to think anyone could "prevent" any of that. (Because I didn't want to use my own experiences as example or you might think I'm "going nuts" because it's personal. For the record, I'm not going nuts) Or that they'd even think that they had to prevent anything. It's just that shit happens, and looking back everyone can find something that the victim "could've done" to increase her chances of survival but is it really practical to focus on this? Does it even make any sense?
You keep talking about chances. Chances of being a victim. How concrete are these chances? I'm not responsible for a rapist thinking: oh, that's an easy one, she's wearing heels, probably can't run. I'm not going to delude myself with the idea that if I do everything right my chances of being a victim is really low. That's not even true. Can you prove it? Can you show me a study that says if you're more confident, you're less likely to be a victim. Well what if I had a really bad day? It isn't fair to ask women to do these things with the idea that it could prevent rape when it really doesn't.
Oh don't get me wrong, I would love to have something that will give me a real fighting chance, but let's not drag out all these old misconceptions and pretend they're true. Oh and why do I put a lock on my door? I don't know, but it hasn't stopped any burglaries so far. The only difference with being robbed with locked doors and without is how guilty you feel after. A locked door isn't really helpful, what you need is an alarm system and a guard dog. What women can do about rape is like a locked door, but people somehow think that it's a full grade security system.
Oh here is a link to a similar topic on a another forum.
http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/pos...&highlight=
https://www.d.umn.edu/~bmork/2306/readin...rollis.htm that's a good psychology paper. One more thing I thought I was clear on but want to clarify anyway. I not referring to attacks on children as there is nothing that can be done by a child to have any kind of prevention .
This more in depth on the type.
http://www1.csbsju.edu/uspp/crimpsych/CPSG-5.htm
(December 10, 2013 at 6:50 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote:No of course not zazzy. that's a oversimplification and rediculous.(December 10, 2013 at 6:27 pm)Zazzy Wrote: No one is telling young women that all men are out to rape them. Should we NOT tell young women to be careful because it might hurt young boys' feelings? WTF?No one in the mainstream at least. Some fringe groups like Atheism+ are though.
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