RE: "God has morally sufficient reasons for permitting evil"
December 11, 2013 at 1:01 am
(This post was last modified: December 11, 2013 at 1:02 am by Freedom of thought.)
(December 10, 2013 at 12:06 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: Well you have to remember, apologists have to make some case for why the almighty would allow for evil to exist through sin. The morally sufficient reason they nearly always propose is libertarian free will via Alvin Plantinga's Free will Defense. I think that does defeat the logical problem of evil (potentially), although some recent developments by other philosophers challenge this.
Regardless, the evidential problem of evil (better put as the problem of suffering), the problem of heaven and the problem of Divine Freedom I think deliver a KO to Plantinga's FWD. At the risk of sounding a bit arrogant, I'd through the argument I made in this thread as being a problem for Plantinga's argument or any other theodicy as well.
I read your post, and I still think the logical problem of evil is still alive and kicking. I'm not talking about a god stopping human beings from doing evil things, I think that has been pretty much done and dusted, even if it's still questionable. I'm talking about natural suffering/evil, which is why I talked about malaria for example. The existence of just one unnecessary case of suffering logically contradicts any modern ideas of an all powerful deity, and I think malaria is the perfect example. Is it that hard for a god to make a world without these blatant issues? From what I can see, we're living in a universe which looks exactly how it should be if there were no god.