RE: "God has morally sufficient reasons for permitting evil"
December 12, 2013 at 7:08 am
(This post was last modified: December 12, 2013 at 7:10 am by GodsRevolt.)
(December 12, 2013 at 6:33 am)Ryantology Wrote: What you describe is really more discomfort than it is suffering. Would you subject your infant to the risk of serious, intense pain, starvation or injury to achieve the same ends? Would you let your child die so that you, or someone else, would grow and develop as a person? Would you even subject your child to that level of discomfort if you could achieve the exact same result without doing so?
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Quote:God, being maximally-knowing and capable, could achieve any end by any means, without limit. It is more of a crime, not less, that a being so capable would inflict or allow suffering, because with such a being in charge, all suffering in the universe is logically unnecessary.
We don't hold animals to a higher moral standard than we hold ourselves, because their abilities and cognitive functions are beneath our own, so it is illogical to hold ourselves to a higher moral standard than we would a being who knows and can do things far beyond what we are capable of. To quote the great philosophers Voltaire and Uncle Ben Parker, "With great power comes great responsibility". Logically, with maximum power comes maximum responsibility.
Maximally-knowing means he understands things you don't.
(December 12, 2013 at 7:05 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:(December 12, 2013 at 7:04 am)GodsRevolt Wrote: I'm saying that I haven't left my life of comfort to feed the boy. Did you?
So you are saying that this method is ineffectual in helping people become better people anyway? Wasn't that you claimed suffering was for in the first place?
Yes, I freely admit that I have fallen short of the glory of God. And for that I must apologize.
What about you? Did you feed the boy yet? Or is he of no concern to you?
". . . let the atheists themselves choose a god. They will find only one divinity who ever uttered their isolation; only one religion in which God seemed for an instant to be an atheist." -G. K. Chesterton