Maybe People Should Not Look Up To YouTube Atheist

[TaraJo]

Feminism isn't a women's group. Women are people too and feminism is the group that was formed to address these issues, and this group includes men and women alike. You seem to have a problem with the fact that they don't give men's issue equal time? (I don't really understand what you were trying to say about prostate cancer) But now you would like to form a group that's for men to discuss men's issue but how is this group not the same as the type of feminism you don't like?

I've seen men try to form groups where they discuss sexism from their perspective and they regularly get called misogynistis for it. If feminists aren't going to try to make their own group more welcoming to men (and they haven't) then they're going to have to accept that mens groups are going to form that are going to examine the issue from their perspective. If there's hostility towards trying to talk about mens issue within feminism and trying to form groups to talk about sexism from their perspective, then specifically anti-feminist mens groups are going to form (and, yes, it's happened already and the more hate they get, the stronger they get).

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I think part of the problem is that the term "feminism" has become such an umbrella issue. Yes, there are people who claim feminism ecapsulates mens issues, and there are people who say it doesn't. There are people who claim that feminism is also about race and class inequalities and there are people who claim that feminism is just about gender equality. There are feminists who claim that feminism is welcoming to men and there are those who are specifically hostile towards men and masculinity. There are people who claim feminism is inclusive and accepting of transsexuals and there are feminists who are specifically hostile towards transsexuals. So, if you're asking us to make general statements about feminism as a whole, the group has become so diverse that it can be hard to do.

That being said, the louder, more abrasive types have certainly made themselves known online and it's rare to see other feminists stand up to them. Am I saying all feminists are loud and abrasive? No, but the reasonable ones are letting the loud ones get away with it.