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Feminism isn't a women's group. Women are people too and feminism is the group that was formed to address these issues, and this group includes men and women alike. You seem to have a problem with the fact that they don't give men's issue equal time? (I don't really understand what you were trying to say about prostate cancer) But now you would like to form a group that's for men to discuss men's issue but how is this group not the same as the type of feminism you don't like?

I've seen men try to form groups where they discuss sexism from their perspective and they regularly get called misogynistis for it. If feminists aren't going to try to make their own group more welcoming to men (and they haven't) then they're going to have to accept that mens groups are going to form that are going to examine the issue from their perspective. If there's hostility towards trying to talk about mens issue within feminism and trying to form groups to talk about sexism from their perspective, then specifically anti-feminist mens groups are going to form (and, yes, it's happened already and the more hate they get, the stronger they get).

Again, you really could say the same thing about men's groups. Feminists are often called feminazis and manhaters like they have been many times in this thread. Grow a thicker skin I guess. There is already a lot of animosity between men's groups and feminism groups but I don't see how forming another group (antifeminists) and reacting to this animosity is going to help nor do I think any outside party can be responsible for what another party does, everyone can control how they react to things and thus must be responsible for their own actions. If men want to form their own group that's fine with me, but if they're going to be exclusive and only talk about men's issues, how are they not perpetuating what they first accuse feminism of? Why not form an inclusive group that instead of talking about men's rights, talks about rights and their relation to gender across the board? That would be a logical response considering the original criticism to feminism's exclusivity (which doesn't exist in all groups).

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Yes I completely agree that feminism is so broad these days and calling yourself a feminists doesn't necessarily mean you're aware of what every feminist movement is doing or that you even condone it. I have this annoying facebook feed (I should get rid of it really) that spends almost 80% of its time talking about how barbies look like and how models look like. That's a feminist movement I find utterly ridiculous, and yet some have chosen to pursue it in the name of feminism.