(December 12, 2013 at 8:55 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: If it's a human and not specifically femal condition, then it would seem feminism isn't really adequate.Adequate for what? Discussing issues of inequity? You seem to be saying that women specifically are guilty of wanting rights but not wanting the responsibilities- a condition that all human beings are occasionally prone to. You have given no example of this. Feminism is a mindset that encourages thought and activism about gender inequities. I really have no idea what you're arguing.
Quote:Lol, women don't get anger from me over this, I just find inconsistent argumentation that mainstream feminism rarely distances itself from to be silly. Much the same as I feel abput religious theism, actually.So you're belittling feminism, not hating it. Gotcha.
Quote:And this is a thing women did, not that something women do as a sort of widespread thing. In context, I was talking about aroudnd th 40s. The modern say stuff I brought up was stuff about the Taliban-run Afganistan.
Bold by me, because I still have no idea what "this" is. Why are the 40s relevant? Why are the Taliban relevant?
Quote:Wait wait wait, so you're saying it's the right thing to do? I dobut you are, so that's a red herring.MFM, I confess I have no idea what you're saying here either. I think WHAT is the right thing to do? Report rape? Not report rape?
Quote: Further, it's even worse with rape and murder, maybe even more so with rape because it's harder to prove and has a terrible stigma (rightfully so), but that unfortunately blinds some to the need for proper legal proceedings.Still no idea what you're talking about or why it's relevant.
Quote:I'm not sure I disputed that many rapes are unreported. The real crux is that many rapes are likewise acquitted either because of lack of evidence (which is to be expected with a crime like this) or plain bad evidence, so the extremist position I mentioned of presuming male guilt until proven innocent that some feminists put forward is ridiculous and contrary to the apparent aims of feminism.So "some" feminists do this, therefore feminism is bad? Since I'm pretty sure you don't think that, what's the point? As I said in an earlier post, there are assholes everywhere, and I hardly think women, or feminists, are the only ones assuming guilt for rapists. Here in Texas, the good ol' boys (who are assuredly not feminists) will string your ass up if their little sisters accuse you of rape. It's NOT a feminist mindset or a female mindset. It's human nature. It doesn't make it right to assume guilt before it's proven, but it has nothing to do with feminism. Hear me on this.
Quote:Do you REALLY not see how that VERY extremist view (which I hope you don't hold) is trying to have it both ways?WHAT extremist view? Assuming guilt before it's proven- which human beings tend to do? No, I don't see how that's feminists trying to have it both ways, since you haven't proven that feminists do this as a matter of course, or that it's related to the ideals of feminism in any way. You have stated- accurately- that SOME PEOPLE do this. That is neither here nor there with feminism, the majority of feminists, or me personally. It's a BS argument, as I said before.
Quote: Come on, how easy is this. It's wanting women to be legally favored in criminal proceedings over men, despite feminists (and other sane people) wanting women to be on a level playing field with men.How is it "wanting legal favoritism" to try rapists in court- even on only the word of a victim? Again, you're making no sense.
Quote:And as for YOUR BS, I've repeatedly voiced my support for male and female equality, but what you and others here have argued have been unjustified claims of completely male-made and male-maintained oppression towards women,
Show me where I did that. Right now.
Quote:which is a paradigm so simplistic I can't believe it doesn't ring some alarm bells to actually hold a more nuanced position.Your position is so nuanced that I can make no sense of it.
