Poll for Christians: Are the End Times imminent?

[Godscreated]

How is it that a person who states his Religious view: Haven't a clue, becomes a Spiritual Gnostic Christian, very interesting.

Actually its not that hard to be a Spiritual Gnostic Christian, It actually makes more sense when you realise that the book you are reading as a load of Junk and that it was made up with Political means. I believe that Jesus came here to teach enlightenment and to find truth, This is why I do not believe in the Bible.

How were the scriptures made up for political reasons. The NT was written in less than a fifty year period, by men we know who were not politically motivated. What do you man Jesus came here, where was He before, what truth was He looking for. How is it a man that comes looking for truth can teach enlightenment.

I did not say all prophecy had been completed, I stated that most of the prophecies have been completed, most of what's left are about the very last days. Your correct that the end time prophecies are vague when it comes to time, however you have to remember Jesus said no one but the Father knows when He (Jesus) will return.

But where is your proof that Prophecy has been completed. Please give me examples of these Prophecies that are coherent and are directly to the point. I do not expect you to give me Apologetics I just want an answer that is clear as day.

Jesus, his death, his resurrection, even though you will deny this. One you can't deny, the establishment of Israel as a nation after more than 2000 years, I'll say this again Israel is the only nation reestablished after this great length of time. That man will search after their own truth and deny God's truth.

I do not believe that Jesus is God he always shown subordination to the Father, in fact the Holy Spirit is what made Jesus divine – Nothing else. Jesus himself was nothing special the Holy Spirit was the entity doing all the work. Sure Jesus himself on the mount of olives asked to forfeit being nailed to a cross.

Of coarse, He lowered Himself to serve the Father and follow His will, Jesus made this plain. The Holy Spirit came upon Jesus to guide Jesus the man in God's will. Jesus said on the mount, not my will but your will be done Father. Jesus laid down His royalty and power to come and serve His Father as a man, He came to teach us how we as humans can do the same.

As I explained above Jesus said only the Father knows the time. Jesus said that the world would be like the days of Noah at the end. He said man would be lovers of himself, in other words selfish and if people believe man is less selfish today than 60 years ago the are deceiving themselves. God wasn't going to give the date at which Christ would return, the churches would be full of people who would be there out of fear and not because they wanted a relationship with Christ.

How does Jesus know the world will be like the days of Noah why did he not give us a direct to the point scene?

Jesus being God knows what the future will be like and, He did give us a scene, go read about the days of Noah, it want take long it's laid out plain and simple.

The way you make it sound is that it was all hearsay – How can Jesus know the end if he actually doesn’t know the time?

Jesus said only the Father knows the appointed time. Jesus said that in the last days His people will recognize the end is near and that we should be diligent in our faith.
I know the sun will set tomorrow, but not the exact time, unless I ask someone who knows the exact time.

Actually this Generation is not much different than any other. 500 Years ago people were selfish Kings cared only for themselves and left others out same with the Religious elite.

Christ warned us against using only part of the prophecy to believe the end is near, but this is one part of the puzzle so to speak. The selfishness I'm referring to is the turning away from God, man living by his own truth, denying what God teaches. I do not want to side track this by mentioning certain things, so for now I'll stop here. The religious elite that you're probably referring to are few and full of deceit.

Also where do you get the view that people are selfish? Is it through the news because if it is you should know that the news is not an indication of the state of the world.

I see it for myself almost every day and not through TV but through personal experience. Many people I talk to tell me of their experiences with people and how selfish and irresponsible they are, it's a real take on the real world.

Of coarse, who else would it be, the name is the clue for the Israelites, God with us. yes I know the name does not appear in the NT, however Jesus does, prophecy complete.

Ok so instead of explaining how Immanuel vs Jesus are the same you just assume it because you don’t think it could be anyone else. What about Matthias? Was he not the son of a Virgin?

The prophecy stands own it's own, Jesus was God with us and Mary knew that Jesus was the Son of God, that's what the prophecy is about. Mary knew she had become pregnant without being with a man and the angel also told her this was going to happen, so how couldn't Jesus be the fulfillment of the prophecy. Can you tell me who else fulfilled the many prophecies about God's Son? No I do not believe Matthias was born of a virgin.

If your first sentence above is true then why Christ, why the writings of the NT. Christ's bride is the church, not a building, but the people who make up the church. Heaven is not achievable by death, some will be changed at Christ's return who are alive at the time. Faith in what Christ will do is why people will be in heaven. People today wouldn't be able to understand Christ's explanation of heaven, so why should He tell the disciples.

Ok here is something you need help with – The BIBLE is a book made by men with a political gain heck it’s been added to and edited for so many years so can you say it’s the inspired word of God when it needs re-translated?

First you need to show me the other writings, you know the ones that were changed. Yes I know there are a few verses we believe could be additions, however that doesn't mean those verses were not in the original and placed into an incomplete writing. The Bible has be translated many time as we've learned more about the ancient languages it was originally written in. I wouldn't say the Bible has been re-translated, it's been better translated as we learn the ancient languages. There are still words we do not know the exact meaning of in some of the old manuscripts.

I don’t think the Disciples needed to know because heaven was not for them or for Humans so why would we need to know?

We are given a small description of heaven, so we do know some about it, Jesus said He was going to build us mansions, I haven't seen Him doing that here on earth, have you. Jesus was more concerned about His disciples teaching thee Good News of Jesus and what He has to offer.

You started out this post calling me a douche, so I think you must believe it, guess this question's answer is left to you. Now to the nation of Israel, it's the same area the Jews lived in over 2000 years ago, it is the same peoples, they can trace their linage back to the days long before Christ. If this isn't clear as to the meaning then you'll have to excuse me.

Actually I highly doubt that anyone can trace the Lineage back that far – Considering several Libraries for example in Alexandria were burned down as well as others in Rome I am sure there would be problematic gaps in the sequence of History. E.g. ever notice that Jesus has two Geneologies.

Lineages are not always keep in libraries, most are keep in Bibles and other materials of the families. Yes Jesus has two genealogies, one is Mary's and the other Joseph's, something wrong with that.

So what have I done to lead you to believe I'm badly tainted? I agree the church leaves a lot to be desired in some areas, we are people however and will make mistakes, why do you think we are indebted to Christ.

What have you done? You are on here being Antagonistic when I was a Christian all I met was people like you who thought they were right and everyone else was wrong.

I'm being antagonistic, why because I'm saying how I see Jesus. I know I do not know everything about Christ and Christianity, but I do know when there are teachings that go against the scriptures God has given us. So yes I will make a stand on the truth I know that comes from God.

Unless I conformed to your version of God I was condemned. Jesus both shown miracles and taught spiritualism. The fact that people now a day are told to have Blind faith when Jesus did not expect that from Thomas then it stands to reason that I should ask that you drink Poison to prove weather or not you are a true Christian.

Hold the horses here, it's not my version, it's because of what the scriptures say, the scripture most Christians accept as God's word of truth. To drink poison would be to test God and I'm not one who will try that, besides that was something told to the disciples not me.
You have ignored or just purposely gone around much I have stated and this is one of them, so how do you explain what Jesus said about the people in the future who come to believe in Him, "blessed are those who will believe by not seeing," doesn't that include you.

I wasn't trying to use "olde English," but let me state it another way, only those who are seen as righteous to God will be in heaven, does that appease your ire. This applied to those before Christ also.

This makes more sense so stop misleading people with outlandish claims.

As I explained I was not trying to mislead anyone, I used poor grammar and it made it look that way, so again I'll say sorry.

Then you need to show me some scripture that states that very thing. You really believe those angels still believe what they did was better than living with God for eternity, I doubt it. In the NT many of those fallen angels were afraid of Jesus and what He could do to them, they sound like they knew they screwed up. Sin, ie. evil blinds many, even many angels, is it any wonder that God hates sin so much.

Actually we cannot know why the Angels did what we did, We probably never will – The fact that God created Lucifer as perfect raises questions about whether Lucifer being evil was also Perfect in that God allowed his perfectness to become Imperfect? If God is perfect then were does imperfection come from.

Actually the angels didn't do what we did, we did what they did, their rebellion came before man's. Imperfection comes from sin, God was perfect in His will by not forcing Lucifer to obey Him, He wanted Lucifer's love to be unconditional, just as He wants ours to be.

I'm not sure why you think this when the gospels are full of the reason Christ left heaven to become a sacrifice for mankind. Christ made it clear His death would bring forgiveness to those believed in Him. He said no one comes unto the Father except through Him. Christ said all that come to Him are called by the Father. Jesus told Thomas that he believed because he saw, then He said blessed are those who will believe by faith, not having Thomas kind of proof. So yes Christ life leads us to God the Father and His death brings us acceptance by God the Father. Without the forgiveness we would not be found righteous and the righteous will live with God for eternity.

The Synoptic Gospels there is only 3 of them lets cut the crap here – You are basing all your faith on what other people tell you to belive. You really should read more and search for truth. Read Gnostic Works / Read Apocrypha there is more teaching in those than there is in the Faulty Bible. Because at least Gnostic works have been left alone for 2,000 years so when we are reading them we are reading with largely non tampered documents.

What crap, you must be reading things into what I've written that are not there, this is the second time you've taken this attitude. No one has made me believe anything about God, God's revelations to me have shown me His truth. Others have taught me and I've examined what they have taught and found most to be reasonable and some not. How do you know those writings were not tampered with, do you have the originals, you do not even know for sure who wrote them and minds better than ours have decided which writings should be trusted and I believe it was through the leadership of the Holy Spirit.

That's a great part of Christianity, trying to walk in Jesus footsteps. the verse says whosoever believes in Him, that must by necessity include His death and resurrection. We can't pick and choose the parts of Jesus life we want to believe, it's an all or nothing deal.

Actually I believe that God cannot die so Jesus did not die for our sins – I believe that someone else took his place and that he dwelled within the person until the last moment. Why else would he say ‘Father why have you forsaken me?’

Could be He really was the Son of God in the flesh.

One last comment: If the Kingdom of God is inside us then where is it?

I'm not sure what you are asking here but I'll take a stab a an answer. The Kingdom of God is the church and the church is those who put their faith in Christ, not just part of Him but the whole.
Again thanks for the conversation.

GC