(December 23, 2013 at 5:35 pm)savedwheat Wrote: The necessity of the uncreated Creator would make your question illogical when you ask what caused the uncaused.This particular argument always comes down to this, it seems. There must be an uncaused cause. Why? 'cause.
Having realized that you face an endless regression, you draw a line at some point and call it god. Why draw the line? Because there cannot be infinite regress, so there must be something! And this something is god? Yes! And where is he? He is undetectable! So how do you know he's there? YOU CAN'T PROVE HE ISN'T!
Your argument relies on a lot of "there has to be this" which no one can detect because it exists outside of space and time, yet you have an intimate and exact knowledge of this thing, unless you're asked to explain some of its actions, in which case we cannot possibly know its deep and mysterious mind.
Sure, the atheist has the easier case to defend, but that's because we choose to defend a case that doesn't sound batshit insane on its face.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould
