RE: Pro abortion or not
January 7, 2014 at 6:54 am
(This post was last modified: January 7, 2014 at 7:11 am by Aractus.)
(January 7, 2014 at 4:00 am)Esquilax Wrote: Ah, but at that point the infant is born, and fully alive, and hence falls under the same laws concerning the killing of any other human.But by that logic the infant is no less "fully" alive then it is at the 23rd week since from this point on it has the potential to survive if born. Remember that even at 9 months the baby still only has potential to survive once born, so there's really not much difference except that with such a premature birth the infant needs more nursing to get it to full health.
This is what confuses me about your point of view. A normal, healthy, pregnancy is 38 weeks. Let's say a woman is 39 weeks pregnant - can she abort? Let's say a woman gives birth at 35 weeks - is neonaticide okay? And did you read any of the links I posted - which relate to this publication? It's still your world-view which opposes it.
But I guess the question, which I asked before but you didn't answer, that I would really like answered is this. When aborted babies are born alive, they are either left to die (neonaticide takes place by not trying to save the baby's life), read the links I posted earlier - or - the baby is left with its parents.
Now let me address both points - firstly, point 1. is technically illegal, yet even though dozens of cases (over the last 10 years) are documented and proven in each State of Australia no one has ever been charged with committing a crime. Thus in practise doctors and nurses are allowed to practise neonaticide, it's only the parents who aren't?
Point 2. Even more important - a study in Victoria found that about 1/4th of infants that died from SIDS in the first year of their lives were babies that had survived abortion. Why were these babies ever given back to the parents that wanted to terminate them before birth??
Point 3. If a woman "has a right to an abortion" as many here claim, then howcome a child can be born alive following an abortion? Who's rights tump who's?? Shouldn't the baby have the right to have a parent who is somebody who will love them from the very start, and thus be given to somebody who will take proper care of it?
Quote:And to be clear, my feelings aren't the reason why those legal restrictions should be in place; the analysis of how permitting that act affects the real world are. There is not the same issues of the violations of bodily autonomy involved in neonaticide, that one finds in issues of abortion.So a foetus doesn't live in the real world, even if it is breathing and capable of surviving outside the womb?
(January 7, 2014 at 6:06 am)Zen Badger Wrote: My only caveat on the issue is that you should not be able to abort after the second trimester unless for medical reasons.Then this link should interest you.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
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"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke