Pro abortion or not

[KichigaiNeko]

But I guess the question, which I asked before but you didn't answer, that I would really like answered is this. When aborted babies are born alive, they are either left to die (neonaticide takes place by not trying to save the baby's life), read the links I posted earlier - or - the baby is left with its parents.

Where is the evidence for this? And by "aborted alive" are you referring to premature babies Danny? Or are you referring to those babies that are forced to an early termination of pregnancy because they are deformed beyond help and as such are left with their parents to say goodbye because they would not survive whether full term or pre-mature?

Now let me address both points - firstly, point 1. is technically illegal, yet even though dozens of cases (over the last 10 years) are documented and proven in each State of Australia no one has ever been charged with committing a crime. Thus in practise doctors and nurses are allowed to practise neonaticide, it's only the parents who aren't?

I don't think either should be able to. At that point, just adopt the kid out or something. Again though, I have to stress how uncomfortable it makes me to blunder into shit I don't really know how to experience as though my opinions matter.

So again where are these stats you are talking about Danny? As for the emotive term "neonaticide" just where do you draw the line? Is masterbation "neonaticide"?

Point 2. Even more important - a study in Victoria found that about 1/4th of infants that died from SIDS in the first year of their lives were babies that had survived abortion. Why were these babies ever given back to the parents that wanted to terminate them before birth??

I don't know, though I'd suspect it varies according to context. Again, I'd say at that point there are far less cruel ways to resolve the situation.

Really? 1/4th of babies? Then please explain the other 75% that died from SIDS including my nephew please Danny.

Point 3. If a woman "has a right to an abortion" as many here claim, then howcome a child can be born alive following an abortion? Who's rights tump who's?? Shouldn't the baby have the right to have a parent who is somebody who will love them from the very start, and thus be given to somebody who will take proper care of it?

See above: at the point at which the infant is literally born and still alive, to my mind the issues that affect the woman's choice have been resolved, which rather means it's beyond the reach of my position anyway.

I'd love to see the evidence of abortions that result in the baby being "born alive" are you sure you are not getting the stats for premature births confused Danny?

Esq, this is one instance where I disagree with you and find myself agreeing with Aractus.
Abortion should only be allowed up until the foetus can survive on its own... Of course, there's no clear cut border, so legislators must impose one and they use medical consensus on the average gestation period that provides a viable (even if very premature) infant.

I could see that, and I'm not against legislating for this issue either. I'm just saying that the person to be asking about how that legislation should be determined isn't me, nor is it the standard anti-choice guy, nor right wing politician. It's doctors, and women. The people actually affected by this issue should have more representation than they currently do, and certainly more than armchair pundits like me.

As I have stated before, (silly males) IF a female has not made up her mind to go ahead with the pregnancy by the 10th - 15th then abortion is problematical at best...ask any Medical practitioner. The ONLY reasons for a late gestation termination that I am currently aware of involve genetic deformities or the death of the foetus.

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Oh and just WHEN did you get your doctorate in Gynaecology/ Obstetrics Danny?