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Why would God?
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RE: Why would God?
(January 8, 2014 at 3:18 am)Godschild Wrote: ROFLOL You do know you're talking about an all knowing God.
ROFLOL My point that god the would know that Adam will sin. He let it happen or made it happen. You see the flaw?

SB Wrote:Oh your god can do anything. Your the ones the assumes she is a virgin, when it doesn't say so.
So god raped Mary? He impregnated her against her free will.
GC Wrote:Luke 1:26-38 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city in Galilee, called Nazareth,
27) to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the descendants of David; and the virgins name was Mary.
28) And coming in, he said to her, "Hail favored one! The Lord is with you."
29) But she was greatly troubled at this statement, and kept pondering what kind of salutation this might be.
30) And the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid Mary; for you have found favor with God.
31) "And behold, you will conceive in your womb, and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus.
32) "He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord will give Him the throne of His father David;
33) and He will reign over the House of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end."
34) and Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I'm a virgin?"
35) And the angel answered and said to her, " The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God.
36) "And behold, even your relative Elizabeth has conceived a son in her old age; and she who was called barren is now in her sixth month.
37) "For nothing will be impossible with God."
38) And Mary said, "Behold, the bondslave of the Lord; be it done to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.

I researched the Greek parthenos for virgin in verse 27, it's defined as; of unknown, a maiden, an unmarried daughter, by implication-virgin. So the word is not directly used as virgin, however it implies virgin. See what a little research reveals. In verse 34 Mary says she's a virgin.
Your first sentence asking, can God do anything, that's answered in verse 37.
Your last question and sentence is answered in verse 38, where Mary says she will submit to God's will and does so freely.
so she was raped and had no free will or choice
Could it be that she has not commenced her marriage yet. It was their idea of marriage to have sex with the one you are marrying first. Also maybe she wanted to conceive on the first try?

Ever play Chinese whispers as a kid?




SB Wrote:ROFLOL how do you not see this. If god is all knowing then he would know Adam will sin. He made Adam and Jesus, but made Adam with "free will" to sin. He made Jesus not sin.
GC Wrote:For someone who doesn't know squat about the scriptures you make yourself look foolish by laughing at my responses. You said you wanted to learn yet, you who knows nothing about the scriptures are trying to instruct the teacher, did you do this in school.
Of coarse He knew Adam would sin everyone knows this, that doesn't in anyway mean He made Adam to sin. He gives all free will to choose, Adam did not have to chose the sinful route, God didn't force him to. Jesus had all the weakness toward sin that all people have, He however chose not to sin, He did this just for you. The reason Jesus was the perfect sacrifice, He chose not to sin, there's no other way He could have become the perfect lamb to be sacrificed. Adam chose to bring sin into the world, this left Jesus no choice but to become human and suffer death a horrible one at that, just for you.
I'm not trying to instruct a "teacher", just trying to get you to see the contradictions. Its clear to me that you don't want me to learn. Every time I ask you a difficult, thought provoking question you either talk in circles around it or try to back out of the conversation. Its not my fault you are being closed minded nor is it completely yours. You are so used to seeing one side of the story and seem to be afraid to see the other.Undecided


GC Wrote:This is what a person who has nothing intelligent to say says, seen it many times here, if you do not want to be positively active in this discussion then why do you continue?
So you calling me dumb. Thanks, but I already knew thatUndecided I don't mean to sound rude it just frustrates me that people don't understand my thinking. I see the world through my observations.

(January 2, 2014 at 10:04 am)Godschild Wrote: People are not trying to translate the Bible into what they want people so see

SB Wrote:Like I said YOU are not making sense. I'm trying to learn what you think, but you keep contradicting yourself.
GC Wrote:I do not believe I've contradicted myself, you need to show I have instead of just saying I have.
I just did Angel


GC Wrote:Correct there is only one God. However, I did not say I do not know He is correct, to the contrary God is perfect and I've said this to you, God is without fault, period.
I meant that you don't know for sure that your god is real. There are other gods. Your god did not revile himself to everyone(if he is even real). Other cultures did not see your god.

If you grow up as a Muslim do you really think you would have the same god as you do now?


GC Wrote:Yes the Bible is for those who choose to find understanding through it. I've not changed my mind about the scriptures and what they mean to mankind, I do see some things differently than those I go to church with, but these are minor, the scriptures from Genesis to Revelations are about Christ and the salvation He brought to man and, how we can have a part in that salvation. Because people want to be, let's say, self serving and not listen to God, make out of the Bible what they want, not what God intended. Just like many evolutionist look at the things of the past and come to different conclusions.
Which brings me back to why didn't make it so everyone could understand the Holy Bible?

GC Wrote:If the science was absolute. I'm not blind to evolution, it's never been proven, the closest they have come is natural selection which I agree with. What I do not agree with is natural selection leads to one specie changing into another, this has never been proven.
First thing God doesn't do magic, He controls nature for His will, the creator of the universe has that right because it belongs to Him, just as an artists painting, song or ect. belong to them.
The bible has never been proven...
So you don't believe in genetic mutation? So you don't believe dinosaurs, mammoths, Mesohippus(before a horse was a horse) or that dogs came from wolves? So you don't believe in deceases the mutated from animal only to being both animal and human?

Wow that is closed minded.Undecided

GC Wrote:I do not believe in Buddhism, Buddha is dead, my God lives on forever.
Of course Buddha is dead, he was human. He didn't claim to be god or a part of god, like Jesus did. Buddhism is more of a life style, not a religion.

GC Wrote:You do not need to teach the whole evolution thing there's no proof of it, natural selection is what you were speaking of and natural selection is not evolution, it's use as a scapegoat for evolutionary science because it is the closest thing to evolution they have seen. I have looked into it with scientist from different fields and none of them believe evolution is possible, these men have and do hold high positions in their field and are respected, if they were not they wouldn't have the jobs they do.

GC
Ironically the same can be said about the bible
Try looking with an open mind and truly looking at the other side of things. I would like to see some proof that these people you speak of do not believe in what they research.
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