I really hate fundie fucktards.

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Religious institutions are put on trial, although not as much as I would have liked. There are countless child abuse cases that have been covered up by the Catholic church, countless deaths caused by faith-healing churches, yet they never get sent to trial because these institutions are seen as "good", and people should believe what want. I'm fine with people believing what they want, but when that belief leads to the death, or torture of someone, I'm afraid they've crossed the line as far as I am concerned.

People get brainwashed into thinking all sorts of terrible things by these groups, and they cannot be held accountable for their actions if it was the result of another practically ordering them to do it. So it's wasn't "ultimately all her fault". If there is no evidence to suggest she would have done this without the guidance of her church, it is self evident that the church was involved in this crime.

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I believe personal accountability is the basest start of responsibility. The influences over the person can accomplice fault and appease public sentiment. They might suffice for blame is the person is not around to set on trial, but all-in-all I feel personal accountability to be the lowest common denominator.
You arguement against atheism being just as potentially evil only protects atheism from the same blame if it's not held as an institution. This forum is a place for atheists to gather and practice arguements against theists and for a better understanding through honest and rational discussion correct?

Using your logic

P believes X.
X tells P to act in a certain way.
P acts in this way and Y is a consequence.
Therefore X is (at least partly) responsible for Y.

Person believes she is an X
X mandates that she act in a certain way
P acts in that way and Y is a consequence
Therefore society label X is (at least partly) responsible for Y


If a person feels they are an atheist and through atheism she learns religions are morally corrupt
Then she goes and burns down a church would you hold atheism responsible? yourself as an atheist?

I do take some amount of personal responsibility for this woman's actions only in that I am part of a society that allows this crap to continue. We can continue to bat the blame ball around and dig into our sides of the fence , continue to bastardise the other side or what? take accountability? Take action against tyranny and blindness? Teach communication and understanding?
Both sides can become extremist views and those propagate hate, division, and fanatacism.