(February 28, 2010 at 11:18 am)tavarish Wrote: Jokes apparently don't make it past that steel beartrap of an intellect you possess. Good job, buddy. High five.I got that it was a joke, it just wasn't very funny, dude.
Quote:You can't demonstrate anything to me that I can't refute you for saying without belief. I think George Orwell put it best:(February 28, 2010 at 1:28 am)Watson Wrote: I never said I can't see people not believing in what I believe in. There are plenty of people who don't believe what I believe in, but Ill tell you one thing; we all believe in reality, and we all try to describe it and explain the phenomena known as reality. Pick your choice of words, your petty labels, your 'logical arguments.' You still can't get away from the fact that we're bot htrying to explain the same thing.
Some of us like to describe things in reality with concepts that are demonstrable in reality. Falsifiability and verifiability are what separate fact from fantasy and the real from unreal.
"Nothing is your own except the few cubic centimeters inside yur skull"
Nothing, and I mean nothing, can be proven to be true outside of your own perception of it, unless you believe and trust in it's existence as an external reality.
Quote:You said that atheism somehow doesn't exist, then say we're trying to explain the same thing.Shit happens to an atheist= explains it as a series of coincidences.
Shit happens to a believer= a higher power with a goal in mind took a guiding role in that shit that just happened.
It's really very simple, tavarish. You're describing the same reality I am, but as I said, at least I believe in reality. You have to have it proven to you. It must be so easy to only accept what can be handed to you on a silver platter and not believe in anything outside of that platter because it's too 'hard'.
Quote:I don't make any claims as to where the universe originated, or if it even needed a creator. YOU make that claim. I reject it.Where...the universe originated? I don't understand, there's apparently a specific place where the universe originated? Oh, that must be another one of your 'jokes.' What I'm suggesting is that the universe has a goal, and that that goal is accomplished with a God in existence. That's my claim. I'm sure you don't know or comprehend that goal, either. You reject it, afterall.
Quote:I'm not trying to explain anything, especially not with something that can't be proven or disproven.No, you're just trying to explain away something which can be proven to the strong of faith and which, if believed in, evidences itself everywhere.
Imagine that these are finger:
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How many am I holding up, tavarish? I'll give you a hint: The Party says five. Good luck.
Quote:(February 28, 2010 at 1:28 am)Watson Wrote: And I'm pretty sure that until about a month and a half ago, I considered myself an atheist. But, you know, you go on and keep telling yourself I'm the close-minded one. That's your decision, not mine.
I don't care if you had a sex change a month and a half ago, it doesn't make your arguments any more valid. It's not like being a non-believer has some kind of quality that reflects us all. Some people are just more susceptible to believing some wild shit.
No, the point I was getting across was about what you said pertaining to 'the key I used to close up my mind is old and rusty by now." Remember your own words, tavarish, I'm not going to remember them for you.