RE: Fifty Questions That Christians Can't Answer
February 28, 2010 at 12:24 pm
(This post was last modified: February 28, 2010 at 12:25 pm by tavarish.)
(February 28, 2010 at 11:38 am)Watson Wrote: I got that it was a joke, it just wasn't very funny, dude.
Jesus chuckled, so should you.
(February 28, 2010 at 11:38 am)Watson Wrote: You can't demonstrate anything to me that I can't refute you for saying without belief. I think George Orwell put it best:
"Nothing is your own except the few cubic centimeters inside yur skull"
Nothing, and I mean nothing, can be proven to be true outside of your own perception of it, unless you believe and trust in it's existence as an external reality.
Oh boy. Do you understand that there is such a thing as a truth statement being objective? Something which is true regardless of subjective perception? Do you also understand that for something to be real, it has to be falsifiable and have evidence for its existence? 1+1=2 isn't just true because I believe it to be, it's built on logical concepts which prove to be themselves true through objectivity. There's is no such thing as subjective truth or "It's true for me". It's either true or it isn't.
You don't need belief to understand something, you require knowledge. When that knowledge is reflected demonstrably in reality, you don't need to believe in anything to apply these concepts.
(February 28, 2010 at 11:38 am)Watson Wrote: Shit happens to an atheist= explains it as a series of coincidences.
Shit happens to a believer= a higher power with a goal in mind took a guiding role in that shit that just happened.
It's really very simple, tavarish. You're describing the same reality I am, but as I said, at least I believe in reality. You have to have it proven to you. It must be so easy to only accept what can be handed to you on a silver platter and not believe in anything outside of that platter because it's too 'hard'.
You believe in reality. What exactly does that mean? I'd argue that you don't have a working understanding of what reality is, as you allow many superstitions to operate, then take those concepts and claim them as objective.
Doubt is the most powerful, progressive force mankind has ever possessed. If having a standard of evidence for separating fact from fantasy is a bad thing, then so be it. At least I'm not left wondering if we're making enough blood sacrifices to the sun god so we can have rain this season. The use of the scientific method and peer review allows for anyone to test claims for their validity. The only thing being delivered on a silver platter is your faith. It can't be refuted or disproven and backtracks constantly to somehow include God in mankind's modern discoveries. I'd rather not believe in something that can be refuted with no evidence, not to mention portrays me as a filthy being in need of redemption from birth.
I don't take anything scientific as gospel, as there can be developments in the future that explain certain concepts more fully and accurately (with objective evidence). What I do understand is that science has provided us, and continues to provide us with the best working examples of what reality is.
(February 28, 2010 at 11:38 am)Watson Wrote: Where...the universe originated? I don't understand, there's apparently a specific place where the universe originated? Oh, that must be another one of your 'jokes.' What I'm suggesting is that the universe has a goal, and that that goal is accomplished with a God in existence. That's my claim. I'm sure you don't know or comprehend that goal, either. You reject it, afterall.
The goal of the universe is what exactly? Was the universe fine tuned for our existence? I reject the notion that a God exists. Any goal thereafter is also rejected, as there is no evidence for either concept.
(February 28, 2010 at 11:38 am)Watson Wrote: No, you're just trying to explain away something which can be proven to the strong of faith and which, if believed in, evidences itself everywhere.
Imagine that these are finger:
I I I I
How many am I holding up, tavarish? I'll give you a hint: The Party says five. Good luck.
I can say the same thing with the Invisible Pink Unicorn. She can be proven to only the strongest believers, and after that point, the evidence for her existence is overwhelming. She is in everything and everyone. She is transcendent and the creator of our universe.
(February 28, 2010 at 11:38 am)Watson Wrote: No, the point I was getting across was about what you said pertaining to 'the key I used to close up my mind is old and rusty by now." Remember your own words, tavarish, I'm not going to remember them for you.
And I said that I don't care if you had a sex change, it doesn't make your point any more valid. Being an atheist doesn't make you a free thinker by default, nor does it give you any extra understanding of the world. The fact that you still decided to subscribe to religion and insist that the universe has a goal drives home the point. You have absolutely no independently verifiable evidence for this claim, therein lies my rejection of such a claim. I don't need faith to understand the world around me.