CHISTIANS PLEASE EXPLAIN

[Drich]

Allowing people to suffer and die at the whims of happenstance disaster, when it could all be avoided, is still cruel and neglectful.

How so?

Take a step back and look big picture for a minute. Suffering and Death are just about the worst things that can happen to us in this life, take away suffering and death and something else will take it's place as "The worst thing that can happen in this life." To which I have no doubt it would be held up is the same regaurd as suffering and death. How can I say this? Because if you were to take another step back you would know suffering to be a temporing/proofing process that pushes people to grow Spiritually, and it should not be avoided just because of the discomfort. Death or rather what we have labled as death is our birth into eternity. Whether that birth id followed by a 2nd death or eternal life is I guess why those without God fear or loathe the idea of it. Back to my point. Suffering and death in the grand sceme of things is really not as bad as we make it out to be. It's not the end of the world but we treat it as such, which makes me believe no matter what we put in place of suffering and death it will still be treated as an end of the world event.

He gave those same people the nature which makes them act that way. We did not design ourselves, did we? That design choice was his, and he owns all of the responsibility for its results.

From my studies I have learned we are ALL "that way" and we/Adam elected for us to be born that way via God's provaunaunce, and He did take responsiablity. What do you think the whole Jesus dying on the cross is about?

God does not need to micromanage anything. He is simply standing back and allowing all of the evils and maladies of the world take place. Just as easily, he could have set things up so that no evils or maladies take place, with the same level of involvement as he has now, whatever it is.

If you remember creation and the Garden, you would see this is exactly what He did. So what happened? He gave control of this realm over to Adam/Man and Man handed control of himself over to Satan. Therefore Satan rules this realm via the sins man is not willing to let go of.
This is the closest thing Satan has to a realm he has control over.
He has to share it with us, and still not breach the boundries God has set.

If you do not like how is world operates then join the rest of us in the Prayer Jesus taught us to pray in that: "Your Kingdom Come, Your Will Be Done." In this prayer we see that God does not manage this world. The reason we are asked to pray this is to give this world back over to Him. (through the events outlined in the book of revelation)

Drich, haven't you learned by now not to try using your shitty analogies on me? They never represent the truth of the situation you're describing.

Maybe they repersent a truth your not wanting to see.

We do not live in a world that any individual can control beyond a very limited extent.

But collectivly there is little we do not have control over.

We weren't given a car that will always stay completely operational if only we're responsible.

What car does that now?
The idea of responsiablity means for us to take care of what we can and plan for unforseen happenings.

We're given a car that will break down for reasons that have nothing to do with our level of responsibility.

kinda like real life eh?

It can be destroyed by a falling tree or another driver losing control for reasons which may or may not be either driver's fault.

And all for what? To be taught responsibility? Why weren't we designed to be inherently responsible people?

we were otherwise God would not have given this world over to us.

We're riding the bus because God gave us a shitty car and designed us to be poor mechanics. And somehow, that's our fault rather than his.

again God has taken responsiablity for his end through Christ. Now it is up to us to take care of our end by reaching out and accepting what has already been done for us.

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What if He wanted to establish a realm that allows for happenstance/ act and consenquence play out unimpeeded, do you think He could maintain Omni benevolence without manupliating the inhabitance of that realm?

That's what omnipotence means, yes. If he can't, then by definition he can't be omnipotent.

Incidentally, the world you're positing is one where god does impede in the world to begin with; remember, we're talking about a story where he not only has a prophet, but kills children with bears in defense of such. He already intervenes; what use is your argument now?

The arguement I used still reflects our control and ultimate authority/responsiablity of what happenes in this world, even to the point of asking God into our lives where in some cases he uses bears to maul young-ens.

God stands on the outside till you invite Him in.